The future of Russia and NATO

[Adrian II]

Well thats where it ****s up isn't it ,can you aply that to either Georgia or Ukraine ?

No. I don't think Georgia should accede anyway under Saakashvili and/or any of his cronies. They are totally discredited and their country is in tatters.

Ukraine would have to settle its differences with Russia and its internal ethnic issues first.

The real problem for both countries however is that Russia will not let them settle their internal issues or any border problems because Russia doesnt want them to become Nato members.

That's a catch-21 situation. A country wants to be member of Nato in order to prevent Russian meddling in its affairs, but it can't because of Russian meddling in its affairs.

Meanwhile I think Nato should camp troops in Georgia in its own (Nato's) interest, primarily to prevent further Russian military encroachments. In the end this is about energy and power politics, and I like to win.