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    Quote Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking View Post
    It only halves the armour; the shield value remains unaffected.
    WHAAAT!?! I have always thought that the AP weaponry halves the total armour of the opposing unit, that is its defence skill+armour+shield. Are you sure that AP weapons only cut the armor value with shield and skill remaining? Because if it is as you say, I have recruited 25 one experience and one weapons/armour units of Pedites Extraordinarii in the past 2 years all in vain, thinking that the numerous AS Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou can be easily countered by the AP bonus of Pedites Extraordinarii!

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    AP only takes armour. I'm hard-pressed to understand how it would effect defense skill. As for shield, thats a deflection bonus so AP doesn't effect it. I'm just making the terminology up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foot View Post
    AP only takes armour. I'm hard-pressed to understand how it would effect defense skill. As for shield, thats a deflection bonus so AP doesn't effect it. I'm just making the terminology up now.

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    well, defense skill isn't taken into account against missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poulp' View Post
    well, defense skill isn't taken into account against missiles.
    Try blocking a volley of arrow with a spear or a sword. That ain't easy. A shield however makes it quite a bit more easy. And well armour always helps.
    Also an amour piercing attribute having an effect on your enenmies defence skill wlould be a wierd thing.
    AP only halves the armour points. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moros View Post
    Try blocking a volley of arrow with a spear or a sword. That ain't easy. A shield however makes it quite a bit more easy. And well armour always helps.
    Also an amour piercing attribute having an effect on your enenmies defence skill wlould be a wierd thing.
    AP only halves the armour points. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Unless of course the AP weapon is a inflatable hammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    WHAAAT!?! I have always thought that the AP weaponry halves the total armour of the opposing unit, that is its defence skill+armour+shield. Are you sure that AP weapons only cut the armor value with shield and skill remaining?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    Because if it is as you say, I have recruited 25 one experience and one weapons/armour units of Pedites Extraordinarii in the past 2 years all in vain, thinking that the numerous AS Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou can be easily countered by the AP bonus of Pedites Extraordinarii!
    Your Pedites Extraordinarii will do fine against them, but Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou are the best dam*recruitable* infantry unit in game*stat wise* for a good reason. Don't expect any unit to fight them head on and come out unscratched.
    I shouldn't have to live in a world where all the good points are horrible ones.

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    Armour always works, but is halved by AP weapons.
    Defence skill only works against melee weapons, and not when being attacked from behind.
    Shield works only to the front and the left side.

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    Wow. That sure was a swift response. Do you just prowl around the EB forums and stalk new posts? Just kidding , I do it too. Thanks anyway!

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    Don't expect any unit to fight them head on and come out unscratched.
    **cough**


    OK not exactly unscratched but they have a good liklihood of winning one on one.
    maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...

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    As the Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou have an armour valua of 19, halving this is a welcom thing so yes armour piercing units should be recruited. You should try to pin them with a phalangitai or some heavy defence unit and attack them at the back with some thracian peltastai, the guys wielding the ropmhaias, or any other good AP unit.

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    **cough**


    OK not exactly unscratched but they have a good liklihood of winning one on one.
    Exactly. Especially if the TAB get a volley or two off at them.
    I shouldn't have to live in a world where all the good points are horrible ones.

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    I have read that during the Roman conquest of Britain, the British warriors dodged and slashed arrows with their swords as well as catching javelins and pilum in flight and sending them back to their owners! I am not sure quite how much of this is true, but at least that's what the Roman historians said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    I have read that during the Roman conquest of Britain, the British warriors dodged and slashed arrows with their swords as well as catching javelins and pilum in flight and sending them back to their owners! I am not sure quite how much of this is true, but at least that's what the Roman historians said.

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