Carthaginians speaks Hebrew?

[bovi]

If i want to know about Punic i'll speak to someone about it, im talking about Hebrew here wasnt that apparent?

Of course not. The thread is about the language that the Carthaginians speak in EB. We are talking about the Punic voicemod, and you dismiss authorities on Punic out of hand. Why would we be discussing Hebrew in the EB forum? Hebrew is not part of the mod, Punic is. Get on topic. And seeing as you think Punic experts are disqualified about Hebrew, I'm sure you would consider consulting Hebrew experts about Punic a waste of time.

You may want to read this post. Carefully. Possibly it would preclude usage of "retard", "yahoos" etc. There is no reason to apologize for insults when you use the rest of the post to spout fresh insults.

Now, before you start flaming me, I am not an authority on anything historical, but rather the civil tone of this forum, which you sir are not adhering to.

[Arcani_Bar_Kochba]

Of course not. The thread is about the language that the Carthaginians speak in EB. We are talking about the Punic voicemod.

well i think you're wrong chief. Topic thread is "carthaginians speak Hebrew?" about one third to one half of the 56 (now 57) posts here are a discussion of either the origin of hebrew or general languages that Jews speak (about 5 posts talking about yiddish alone).

So, sorry charlie, it should have been very apparent that i've been talking about hebrew for anyone who has been following this discussion.

[Hax]

Bar_Kochba, what exactly is your point here?

[Cimon]

well i think you're wrong chief. Topic thread is "carthaginians speak Hebrew?" about one third to one half of the 56 (now 57) posts here are a discussion of either the origin of hebrew or general languages that Jews speak (about 5 posts talking about yiddish alone).

So, sorry charlie, it should have been very apparent that i've been talking about hebrew for anyone who has been following this discussion.

The reason the thread is "Carthaginians speak[s] Hebrew?" is because the OP was interested to find out if that is true. That's inherent in the question mark at the end. Further, if you read the end of the first post, it is apparent that he is asking about a Punic voicemod.

The reason that so many points are on the Hebrew and Yiddish languages are that they are tangential to the original purpose of the thread. I know this because I wrote several of them, and even at the time I was thinking, "Hmm, this is tangential, but it's interesting, so I'll post it."

I'm not an expert on ancient Punic or ancient/modern Hebrew, so I have no idea what the relationship was/is. I do know that it's unlikely to ever know for sure, and that to act like the answer is a foregone conclusion is not only against the spirit of academia and EB, but also as unfounded as to suggest that the otherside's conclusion is similarly foregone.

I also know that, right or wrong, you will get a lot farther if you spot using epithets like "chief" and "charlie." Just some food for thought, slugger.

[Arcani_Bar_Kochba]

thanks for the advice Cimon, duly noted. It seems to me that there has been so much tangential content added here that this thread has been effectively hijacked but whatever, thats not important.

In any event the only thing i'm concerned about is the discussion about the origin of Hebrew that started taking place here. Some guys were confidently throwing around the idea that Hebrew came from Punic, and I popped in to challenge that or to at least get a clarification as to what the underlying premises are behind that assertion. Im still waiting on that to decide whether or not it would be an impossible point to argue. I mean im not gonna try to influence people to my side, im either gonna prove it outright or let it lie, and i think that's reflected in my utter disregard for any diplomacy thus far.

I think it's great hearing the Carth's speaking in sorta Hebrew. Hebrew probably makes a great temporary solution for providing a distinct voice mod untill a more thorough Punic one can be created. So im not taking issue with what EB has done so far, Im taking issue with some tangential crap thats been thrown around in this thread about Hebrew.

[Foot]

As has been mentioned before. They are not speaking Hebrew they are speaking Punic, which is closely related it would seem. If you think they speak hebrew you are wrong. We have the eminent work of three professors backing up our use of particular words and phrases in the punic voicemod. The exact the relationship between the two languages is not really at issue here, only that according to the people we have contacted, who have written extensively on this stuff, Punic is what we have done, not Hebrew.

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[Arcani_Bar_Kochba]

As has been mentioned before. They are not speaking Hebrew they are speaking Punic, which is closely related it would seem. If you think they speak hebrew you are wrong.
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I dont give a rat's behind what they are speaking. They could be speaking Swahili for all i care. Quit beating the carth-punic dead horse with me, Im only concerned about the stuff about hebrew coming from Punic in the first place... jeez ill start quoting to all the posts that started blabbing that nonsense if that will help clear everything up for everyone. FFS everyone read the thread.

Oh wait Foot... in post number 2 you were the first yahoo to bing that up werent you?

Oh and here comes tellos in post number 3 with his "matter of fact" well lets hear the facts then. Don't talk if you can't walk.

Oh wait posts 4-9 are about Yiddish FFS.

For the love of God, the first 20 posts are dealing pretty much exclusively with Jews and Yiddish... How the heck can anyone say this thread is about the Punic voicemod? This thread is about what languages Jews speak, Jewish persecution in the middle ages (!!!) and where Hebrew came from. I'm only concerned about the so called "fact" thats been thrown around that Hebrew is really a dialect of Punic... BS! Prove it.

Sooo now that we've cleared that up (hopefully) can we either drop this and all go back to being friends again, or fight it out over the RELEVANT point?

[Hax]

Bar_Kochba, I heartily recommend you go get yourself a hobby, like tennis. Tennis works very well to flow all your frustration out.

Im only concerned about the stuff about hebrew coming from Punic in the first place... jeez ill start quoting to all the posts that started blabbing that nonsense if that will help clear everything up for everyone. FFS everyone read the thread.

Hebrew coming from Punic, now let's see. I believe Shigawire has stated numerous times that Punic is related to modern Hebrew. However, you must remember that some languages were developed simultaneously, so unless someone comes with hard evidence, we could perhaps even state that modern Hebrew had gone through the same linguistical evolution as Punic back in the days of Karthage, and that is being a Phoenician language. I'm not expert on this matter though.

But seriously, dude, don't get so frustrated. We are humans too.

[Foot]

Okay, Arcani, you need to calm down. You are acting as if everyone around you are being idiots. Stop calling people names as if that has something to do with your post. It ain't fun and its starting to give the impression that you reached a conclusion and any obstruction to it is hardly worthy of calling intelligent. You're a law student, huh? Then I suppose you realise that including emotive language such as name-calling is rather flawed way of conducting a conversation with another person. Hell, you don't have to be a law student at all, just a decent human being. But you seem to be losing your head over this so I suggest you take a deep breath and stop the rant. We get it, your upset. The question is "why?" And I think I know the answer:


But please, we were defending our interpretation of Punic in the mod. If I said something that was wrong, then I'm sorry. However our only claim here is that the names for buildings, etc for the carthaginians and the Sabyn are not hebrew, they are punic. Anything beyond that I don't think we have a position on because ... it has bugger all to do with our mod.

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