Java: Is It Just Me?

[naut]

Is it just me or is Java incredibly tedious to use? I can't stand it. It's a horrible language, not to mention it's a resource hog.

Opinions? Advice?

[Whacker]

Run. Screaming.

Worst programming "language" ever dreamt up.

[naut]

Run. Screaming.

Worst programming "language" ever dreamt up.

So it isn't just me.

[CrossLOPER]

Dude I have to take classes using this thing.

[Viking]

Run. Screaming.

Worst programming "language" ever dreamt up.

How does Python score?

[naut]

Dude I have to take classes using this thing.

Same, only programming class I ever have to do. And it's carp to be blunt. (And do I detect a pun?)

[Whacker]

How does Python score?

Don't know to be honest, never used it.

@ Crossloper - Condolences mate.

@ Rythmic -

Java is a VERY serious problem plaguing the industry right now. My university has (had?) a top-rated world class Computer Science program, 2 years after I changed majors OUT of CS they switched from C/C++ to Java. Everyone complained, from students to professors, but that was the word handed down from up on high. Java is a horrible bloated language that runs poorly and eats memory like it's going out of style. Sure it runs on just about anything, but it runs poorly. Java puts too much of the very low level concepts and mechanisms out of the average programmer's reach, hence we are cranking out people who don't understand memory management, algorithm correctness, application optimization, etc etc by the boatload. Any real C/C++ programmer worth their weight in salt understand memory allocation and management, as well as library usage and linking and compile-time optimizations. Java is a pig that takes away the vast majority of those concepts and "automagically" handles them.

Disclaimer, it's been ages since I've done real programming work, but I still remember enough on the foundations and concepts they taught us to understand why software these days is so bloated. If you want a funny example, compare something like uTorrent with Azureus. uTorrent is coded in C, comes in a 400K standalone executable, and does not take up too much memory space even with multiple torrents going. Compare that with Azureus. Don't get me wrong, I loved Az and all the controls it offered, but it was coded in Java and would quite easily hog every single last bit of memory it could gobble up even with a single torrent or two running, and slowly yet surely grind my system to ridonkulously slow speeds.

[Che Roriniho]

How does Python score?

Very well, apparantly, easier than laughing at mac fanboys. My cousin who works in the computing industry recently moved from Java to Python, and he frigging loves it.

I can't program to save my life. I need a decent book to learn from. I am a complete beginner, who knows NOTHING about the business end of software, so any thoughts of where I can start?

[Whacker]

Google for free web based tutorials, and/or buy some of the O'Reilly books at someplace like Barnes and Noble.

[Mikeus Caesar]

Whacker - completely agree with you about Azureus. A classic example of Java being awful. Then again, the entire program was a good example on how to mess up an otherwise good program.

Utorrent is truly superior. It takes up barely any memory. And it has built in tetris!

[caravel]

This seems to be one of those threads where we all agree for once. It galls me that this mess of a language get's taught in colleges and universities these days instead of C/C++.

An Azureus is simply nasty.

[naut]

Holy crap. I started teaching my self python. So much better!

[Che Roriniho]

Wish I could learn python. too busy trying to get my snaffing computer to stop crashing henever it's under strain.