How good can you make your kingdom in 22 turns?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only question I have is; by what measure are we declaring the winner?

Certainly not most provinces... and largest city, because some factions start with better stuff. How about, what is the largest, most advanced, professional army you can field in 22 turns?

[Proserpine]

The only question I have is; by what measure are we declaring the winner?

Certainly not most provinces... and largest city, because some factions start with better stuff. How about, what is the largest, most advanced, professional army you can field in 22 turns?

Sounds good to me . . .

[Askthepizzaguy]

next part, still ambiguous:

What defines best?

We should do something like this:

The Army of the Generic
Recruited by ExampleName by turn 22

10 generals
12 heavy cavalry
20 light cavalry
10 heavy infantry
10 peasant bowmen
15 longbows

12 ships (cog)

Total experience and armor upgrades: 127 "points"
Total units: 77

Balance: General, Light and Heavy cavalry, long and peasant bows, heavy infantry
6 unique types.

Then post the results and put it to a vote as to who "won"

[PBI]

Also, how do we draw the line between "expanding as a turtle" and "blitzing"?

Seems to me the whole problem with the whole blitz/turtle divide is that virtually no one plays as a "pure blitzer" (all military expansion, no development at all) or "pure turtle" (no conquest at all, stick with just starting provinces), most people simply expand and develop at a rate they find comfortable. For ATPG, that rate is about 5 provinces per turn. For some players, it's a handful of provinces every hundred years. I'm somewhere in between; I'm almost always conquering somewhere, but it's unusual for me to have more than two fronts open at once.

[TheLastPrivate]

number of structures, upgrade status, population, and tech should matter more than troops in this case.

[Proserpine]

number of structures, upgrade status, population, and tech should matter more than troops in this case.

. . . and money in the bank? International trade will essentially end.

[Chaotix]

Attempting to troll ATPG and Pev does not seem like a good idea to me. But anyway, back to the topic:

What faction(s) do you guys think would be best for this challenge? For the Blitz challenge, it was the Turks and HRE. For this new turtle challenge, I'd say one of the top competitors would definitely be England. Once you take care of Scotland, there's hardly anybody who's going to attack you, and you can tech up easily from there.