Blitzing = Casual

**Askthepizzaguy** · 09-11-2008, 02:39

Originally Posted by ArtistofWarfare

So you guys interpret all of my posts as: "Guys, I'd like to set up a blitz campaign myself - could you tell me what the normal process of doing so around here is?"

I thought it was pretty clear that I was one of the forum members who did not blitz.

No, I hadn't noticed.

Actually, yes, you had mentioned that you don't like to play the game very quickly (in sometimes less than polite words) and you've alluded to the fact that on the contrary, you're actually quite the opposite.

**ArtistofWarfare** · 09-11-2008, 02:44

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

No, I hadn't noticed.

Actually, yes, you had mentioned that you don't like to play the game very quickly (in sometimes less than polite words) and you've alluded to the fact that on the contrary, you're actually quite the opposite.

So why do you and two others repeatedly keep trying to drag me into a "blitz" challenge.

I've already told you: I find it so boring, that if I have trouble sleeping, I read the blitz challenge thread. Others around here, sleep in the chair...hand on mouse.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 09-11-2008, 02:49

Originally Posted by ArtistofWarfare

So why do you and two others repeatedly keep trying to drag me into a "blitz" challenge.

I've already told you: I find it so boring, that if I have trouble sleeping, a read the blitz challenge thread.

So boring that it consumes the content of most of your posts of late?

By your own reasoning, that makes it seem as though you actually find them fascinating. But surely a skilled player such as yourself could easily win such a challenge proposed by the greenest of the green players. You wanted to set the record straight, here's your chance.

Wow us with your hardcore skills, and I guarantee that you will win this polite debate with full honors.

**ArtistofWarfare** · 09-11-2008, 03:00

And you attempt to again pull me into a "blitz challenge" without first even answering why you did the first time.

1) It's not a measure of skill imo. At all. Therefore, my completion of one would provide me with no satisfaction.

2) "Set the record straight" - What record? I didn't challenge you. You're off topic. The "record" in this thread, is the topic. You're repeatedly discussing blitz challenges - Get back on topic. I don't want to have to tell you again or surely, FH will drop the hammer on you.

3) Yes - this concerns me so much that 11 of my nearly 500 posts discuss it. Yup. That much Pizzaboy.

4) There is nothing to win. I think you're casual because of your attitude and playstyle. Has nothing to do with how much time you put into the game - we've already established that you play TW more than any human being on earth - that's your claim to fame on here. That's why everyone knows Pizzaboy. For me to come on here and set up house rules, and set up blitz challenges so I can "earn praise" is just not me. I'm a real thrill seeker I guess...that just wouldn't get my adrenaline pumping. I dunno, it just wouldn't. I seek no praise on here. I post/read. I'm not here to pop an award in my signature or anything. I would only do that if my rocks were gotten off by doing so - mine aren't. To each his own right?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 09-11-2008, 03:33

And you attempt to again pull me into a "blitz challenge" without first even answering why you did the first time.

Well, you posted the theory that Blitzing is "easy mode", as shown here:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

And some of our other forum members have suggested you don't know what you're talking about, and that you should try it before you reveal to the whole world with your vast experience how easy it is.

It's a fun debate, and I think that's why it's generated so much interest.

1) It's not a measure of skill imo. At all. Therefore, my completion of one would provide me with no satisfaction.

So, logically, by that same token if I believe that Olympic Diving is not a measure of skill, and earning 10 points in front of neutral judges was not satisfying, therefore it is not a measure of skill, because I am all-knowing and my judgment is the only one that people care about. That's why everyone must always agree with me. Point conceded.

2) "Set the record straight" - What record? I didn't challenge you. You're off topic. The "record" in this thread, is the topic. You're repeatedly discussing blitz challenges - Get back on topic. I don't want to have to tell you again or surely, FH will drop the hammer on you.

Actually, you did challenge me, or rather whoever you were discussing this with, to refute your allegations that blitzing is easy and only green, casual players do it (paradoxically, also charging that only someone who is a serious, hardcore player with 4,500 hours of game time would want to blitz).

And when someone other than myself suggested that you prove the assertions in your original post were true, I agreed and thought it was a good idea. It's a fine way of making your point and proving that anyone who blitzes must be a green player after all.

And it's all entirely on-topic, because the discussion is whether or not blitzing is done by green, inexperienced, casual players who don't have the hardcore skills that you do.

Just wanted to debunk some illogical theory a very green, new player put out there that blitzing is "hardcore" and turtling is "casual".

If you wish to debunk a theory, you may expect some debate. This is all on-topic. Amazingly, though, very few of your own posts were on-topic, and that is why they were deleted.

3) Yes - this concerns me so much that 11 of my nearly 500 posts discuss it. Yup. That much Pizzaboy.

That's true. In all fairness, many of your recent posts on this topic have been deleted. So they don't technically count.

So what else has occupied your mind for the last 3 days? A quick search of all your posts reveals: Very little.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

First point: There's nothing to win. There's no prize for completing the game in a "normal" way, nor is there any definition for beating the game normally. So I consider this argument self-defeating.

Second point: Your opinion of my attitude, playstyle, and other such things have already been flagged as inappropriate topics of discussion for this forum. We have a backroom and private message for that.

Third point: Thank you for helping me establish the (untrue) assertion that I spend more time playing TW than anyone else, thus disproving your original thesis which is that I am a green, casual player.

Fourth point: Praise may be earned, but it was never asked for. But thank you for agreeing I've earned praise.

Fifth point: What you do with your time to seek thrills is your business, and unless it's involving M2TW it belongs in another forum. And whatever it is you do to seek thrills, is your business, so long as when you post about it on here it's the thread topic and within forum guidelines. To each his own after all, as you say. So why does it offend you so much that other people seek thrills in ways that you don't?

The bottom line is that you are derailing your own statements by offering other, contradictory statements, and that you don't appear to have a consistent position other than "I dislike blitzing", which we have heard you say in one form or another quite a bit these past several days. As a very famous, hardcore player known as ArtistofWarfare once quipped: "That seems boring to me".

**Ramses II CP** · 09-11-2008, 04:43

I must suggest that bragging on a forum about how 'hardcore' a gamer an individual might be is an unhealthy sign. I've played my fair share of MTWII and plenty of other games, but I've somehow never found myself tempted to tie my ego up in that particular fact. We're talking about light entertainment here, an almost inherently unskilled pursuit. I mean, in my prime I was a pretty spectacular television watcher, and I could surf channels with the best of them, but I still managed to avoid demeaning the sad little weak-thumbed peasants who were outside running around in the grass throwing footballs like clowns.

All this stuff is supposed to be about fun. If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong. If the way someone else has fun makes you angry, you've really missed the point of entertainment altogether.

**El Diablo** · 09-11-2008, 04:53

All this stuff is supposed to be about fun. If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong. If the way someone else has fun makes you angry, you've really missed the point of entertainment altogether.

**Ferret** · 09-13-2008, 23:07

Somone's a little jealous methinks...

Listen to the wise words of the Pharaoh:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

And from personal experience all of the casual gamers I have seen play are extreme turtles, lacking enough experience in the game to pull off a blitz. One person I knew was playing RTW as the Julii and managed to conquer the few Gallic places in Northern Italy by turn 100...

**El Diablo** · 09-11-2008, 03:16

AoW don't do the blitz if you do not want to.
As stated it is your game to play the way you want to.

All I was just wanting to know how you know blitzing is so easy?

Logical equation:

Blitzing makes the game easier since the AI cannot defend or keep up with a blitz. Blitzers, are playing easy mode.

This is (in my humble opinion) partly true. To get what I mean is if you conquer the map at a fast rate. The AI will never keep up. This is particularly true in RTW. The human player recruits better, sends stacks to better locations, fights better on the battle map. Thus if you attack steadily you will usually win.

But if you go ALL OUT that is leave the centre of your empire exposed, consistently fight battles that you are out gunned and out numbered in, spread your reserves paper thin you are in reality giving the AI the best opertunity to beat you. However the AI is as stated here alot not good at co-ordinating attacks, and given being a goodish player you will probably win.

Also when do you go from turtle to conquerer to blitzer? Is it taking a breath after the inital rebel land-grab? One province per five turns? Only attacking after being attacked? Thoughts?

These are all valid tactics and fully accepted here by post lurkers like myself.

So please post an example of your campaign and how it progressed so we can see why you enjoyed it so much. It might be a style that we may like to try. We may even question why you did such and such? Like "Why did you leave Constainople alone when it was takeable?" - to which you might say something as inane as "I like the colour of the Byzantines". That would be a fair answer (and please I am not being condesending here) as it is your game you make the decisions.

The point of this who org business is the game - flaws and all. Some here love camels some don't.

Some love to blitz - others (like you) don't. I don't dislike ATPG for blitzing (he is only killing virtual soliders and civilians) and I don't dislike you for NOT liking blitzing. But attacking another style of play as you have been seems strange. No one is forcing you to do it, so why let it worry you? Play the way you like and leave others to play their way.

But back on topic, I do not think that blitzing = casual. It sure look hard to me.