Creationism in Museums and Schools

[PBI]

Reading the article, I found this particular quote frankly terrifying:

If we came from nothing and go into nothing... that encourages people to lead reckless and materialistic lifestyles.

We should modify our scientific theories until they give conclusions that make people more content not to question authority? The scientific community should stop trying to understand the world and benefit humanity and instead accept its rightful place as a propaganda arm of the government (or the church)? Lysenko and the Inquisition were right all along?

Sometimes I fear rationalism is doomed. A brief window of enlightenment in an eternity of benighted fanaticism.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Sometimes I fear rationalism is doomed. A brief window of enlightenment in an eternity of benighted fanaticism.

As opposed to half the posters who seem to think evolution is a fact (despite it being widely accepted that this is not the case), and who seem to believe in it because they were told it was a fact.

Add to that the fact that the same people seem to have absolutedly no understanding of creationism or what the Bible says on the matter, I don't see a lot of rational thought there.

So maybe you are right.

[InsaneApache]

Nice try. The choice is between openmindedness and dogma. If you believe that the world was created in seven days and that Adam was made a bit like a plant pot, fine. It's wrong of course but fine. On the other hand if you subscribe to the view that the world is 5 billion years old and that life evolved over eons and that there is a theory in place that attempts to understand his process, that's also fine.

The difference in the two is social control and power.

[PBI]

As opposed to half the posters who seem to think evolution is a fact (despite it being widely accepted that this is not the case), and who seem to believe in it because they were told it was a fact.

Of course it's not a fact per se, unlike religion science does not attempt to deal in facts or absolute truths, and it is much better for it. It deals in probabilities and evidence, it gives the most likely explanation based upon the evidence. That is what the Theory of Evolution is; rather than contradicting several pieces of evidence from multiple unrelated scientific disciplines and requiring us to invent as an axiom an omnipotent creator with limitless powers and attributes, it ties up all the evidence presented in a neat little bow and explains everything as being caused by an experimentally testable phenomenon (you acknowledge that micro-evolution does happen).

If another theory comes along which does a better job of explaining the origin of species, it will supplant evolution, but that theory is not Creationism. Science is not a particularly satisfying way of gaining knowledge about the Universe, but it has proven itself repeatedly to be by far the best method we have.

[Gregoshi]

Creationism in science class, day one:

Teacher (reading from Bible): "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth." Any questions? No? Okay, on to science then...

[Reverend Joe]

Evolution is not a scientific theory. Can't produce observable, testable, or repeatable results - like all legitimate scientific theories can. I know Darwinists like to counter this point with examples of variation within a kind, but that is not proving the outlandish claims of evolution like common descent of all forms of life from bacteria.

For evolution to be a scientific theory there would need to be observable, testable, and repeatable evidence of lower forms of life transforming into completely different higher forms of life with new, additional genetic information. But there is none. Therefore, evolution can only be accepted based on faith, not based on science.

As opposed to half the posters who seem to think evolution is a fact (despite it being widely accepted that this is not the case), and who seem to believe in it because they were told it was a fact.

Call it irony, but the very fact that there are large groups of people who believe what you two are saying makes me want to run into the nearest church and beg God to personally stop you before you take over.

You two really have no idea what you are talking about. Haven't you ever heard of the fossil record, ring species, vestigial organs, Whales, bacterial evolution, or even how terribly designed our eye is? If we were "intelligently designed," why the hell would our photoreceptors be pointing backwards and attached to a lump of gelly so weak that any swift blow could easily detach the retina, while the average squid is swimming around with perfectly designed eyes? And for that matter, why do we only have two legs, possibly the worst walking design in history? Shouldn't we have at least 3 for stability, if not 4? And why do we have so many back problems? Maybe, just MAYBE, the last two could be explained by the fact that we evolved from four-legged organisms, replacing our front legs with arms but failing to properly adapt our backs to upright walking.

Damnit.



Oh, and there's one other thing bugging me...

As for the issue with DNA, flesh comes from flesh, spirit comes from His Spirit, it doesn't change anything.

So apparently DNA was made by Jesus.

[Viking]

As opposed to half the posters who seem to think evolution is a fact (despite it being widely accepted that this is not the case), and who seem to believe in it because they were told it was a fact.

Add to that the fact that the same people seem to have absolutedly no understanding of creationism or what the Bible says on the matter, I don't see a lot of rational thought there.

So maybe you are right.

What you need is a science class, then you'd understand. Science deals only with theories; a theory that is tested again and again for ever without producing any wrong results are referred to as "laws", e.g. the formula for kinetic energy: Ek = 0,5mv^2. This formula isn't entirely accurate however, something that becomes apparent as we near the speed of light; in which case we need to use Einstein's formula from his theory of relativity.

There is nothing that supports creationism; while there is nothing that contradicts the theory of evolution. Therefore, you are, simply put, unscientific and dogmatic when you favour creationism.


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BTW, I find the whole idea of ID rather funny. I think it's time to promote Stupid Design:

There are clear evidences that the creator of this universe either

a) is stupid
b) was drunk or intoxicated while creating the universe
c) didn't read the manual before creating the universe

There are several clear evidences that support this theory:

* the Earth and what we regard as liveable conditions do not make up the entire universe. Instead we are placed on a lone marble in a giantic universe filled up with lethal dangers.

* the Earth itself is also full of potential dangers, such as volcanoes, earth quakes, ultra violet radiation from the sun etc., clearly showing that the Designer had no clue as of what he was doing.

* the humans are animals just like the rest of the life on our planet; His divine fingers failed to create a clear distinction between humans and the rest; humanity are just another specie.

[Ronin]

BTW, I find the whole idea of ID rather funny. I think it's time to promote Stupid Design:

There are clear evidences that the creator of this universe either

a) is stupid
b) was drunk or intoxicated while creating the universe
c) didn't read the manual before creating the universe

There are several clear evidences that support this theory:

* the Earth and what we regard as liveable conditions do not make up the entire universe. Instead we are placed on a lone marble in a giantic universe filled up with lethal dangers.

* the Earth itself is also full of potential dangers, such as volcanoes, earth quakes, ultra violet radiation from the sun etc., clearly showing that the Designer had no clue as of what he was doing.

* the humans are animals just like the rest of the life on our planet; His divine fingers failed to create a clear distinction between humans and the rest; humanity are just another specie.

he might have been stupid but we know he had a sense of humor....just look at the platypus...

All hail his noodleyness.

rAmen....