New factions?

[Jolt]

If he had said "will control one region" or "will control a maximum of one region" it would still give you hope enough that it might be Syracuse. Unfortunatly for you, Foot has already made a revelation that there will not be a new faction preview in the next stele. That means no Syracuse (Or Bartix. :<).

[Tellos Athenaios]

I think, by such criteria of "revelation" we could get away with previewing Pergamon a second time. Heck, Foot didn't even say it will be an as of yet unpreviewed faction. Actually, it might just be Pergamon the Preview II...

[General Appo]

Or why not a preview of the Casse? Where you only tell us what hasn´t changed. And you don´t say how much more hasn´t changed.
True Foot style.

[TheGlobalizer]

I can tell you that at least one of the unrevealed factions controls at least one of the current provinces on the EB map at the beginning of 272BC. Also the next faction we will reveal has a name beginning with a letter of the alphabet.

I get a kick out of these posts, no matter how often I read them.

[eddy_purpus]

If he had said "will control one region" or "will control a maximum of one region" it would still give you hope enough that it might be Syracuse. Unfortunatly for you, Foot has already made a revelation that there will not be a new faction preview in the next stele. That means no Syracuse (Or Bartix. :<).

when did he say that ???????????????

[lobf]

the search function works great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Strategos Alexandros]

So does reading the last page

[Jolt]

when did he say that ???????????????

For simplification efforts, I'll even underline and bold his sentence:

We won't be showing a faction in the next stele period.

Foot

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is my second favorite thread ever, only behind Bartix.

[Eastern Foot-Rocker]

Which new factions would you like to see in E.B?

The Maccabees founded the Hasmonean royal dynasty and established Jewish independence in the Land of Israel for ,about one hundred years, from 164 BCE to 63 BCE.

Of course, this happenend a little bit later than 278 BCE, but does it really matter?

I think a playable jewish faction would be an interesting faction, between the selukid and the ptolemaic Empires.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The Maccabees founded the Hasmonean royal dynasty and established Jewish independence in the Land of Israel for ,about one hundred years, from 164 BCE to 63 BCE.

Of course, this happenend a little bit later than 278 BCE, but does it really matter?

I think a playable jewish faction would be an interesting faction, between the selukid and the ptolemaic Empires.

In one of the previews or "steles" they said there would be no jewish faction. Look in the Important Information sticky for more info on that.

[Hax]

Of course, this happenend a little bit later than 278 BCE, but does it really matter?

I think; yes.

[General Appo]

How the hell would a faction that doesn´t appear for over 100 years be represented? It makes no sense.

[Martelus Flavius]

Hax is right, the goal is to represent as accurately as possible the world in 272 BC (Or 481 AUC, or whatever other calendar you want to use), so if a faction didn't exist at this time, the chance of its occurance in EB2 is as low as the bottom of the Marianna's trench. After 272 it's up to the player to write history.

Regards

Martel

[Aemilius Paulus]

Hax is right, the goal is to represent as accurately as possible the world in 272 BC (Or 481 AUC, or whatever other calendar you want to use), so if a faction didn't exist at this time, the chance of its occurance in EB2 is as low as the bottom of the Marianna's trench. After 272 it's up to the player to write history.

Regards

Martel

That's true, but is EB II going to have emergent factions? Sorry, I remember seeing the answer to this question somewhere else, but I have forgotten by now.

How could EB II team create a Jewish faction? Aren't they too little and insignificant to be represented as a whole faction? I mean there were thousands of city-states like it. Not only this, but what kind of unit roster would it have? The same units as other factions, only with the word "Jewish" preceding the name of the unit and a slightly different color scheme/shield design? It's much like the Pergamon dilemma.

[Ludens]

EB2 will not contain emergent factions, Jewish or not. The Jewish revolt could be very well simulated with normal unrest. It was not as if the Hasmodean state had imperial ambitions.

Unit roster is not very relevant when discussing faction inclusion. The main point is whether they were important and expansionist (i.e. cannot be simulated by rebels). And the Maccabean revolt, important as it later became from a religious perspective, was from a contemporary point of view just one of many Seleucid provinces breaking away. A potential Pontus they were not.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Unit roster is not very relevant when discussing faction inclusion. The main point is whether they were important and expansionist (i.e. cannot be simulated by rebels). And the Maccabean revolt, important as it later became from a religious perspective, was from a contemporary point of view just one of many Seleucid provinces breaking away. A potential Pontus they were not.

Exactly my point about the Jewish state.

But still, about other factions, how would you create a faction if you do not have enough units for a unit roster, or lack information about that faction? For instance, EB I and II could, in my opinion, use an Eastern European faction because there is a power vacuum there. All of the other parts of the map have lots of factions, but Eastern Europe is desolate and empty. There is more space and territories between Sauromatae and Sweboz than between any other two neighboring (in the sense that there are no other factions between them) factions. However, neither the EB team or other historians know any significant amount of information about the people and types of soldiers there. That's probably why there was no Eastern European faction.

[Ludens]

Exactly my point about the Jewish state.

I thought you were asking after that. My I apologies if I misunderstood you.

But still, about other factions, how would you create a faction if you do not have enough units for a unit roster, or lack information about that faction? For instance, EB I and II could, in my opinion, use an Eastern European faction because there is a power vacuum there. All of the other parts of the map have lots of factions, but Eastern Europe is desolate and empty. There is more space and territories between Sauromatae and Sweboz than between any other two neighboring (in the sense that there are no other factions between them) factions. However, neither the EB team or other historians know any significant amount of information about the people and types of soldiers there. That's probably why there was no Eastern European faction.

If there is that little information about the faction, they most likely weren't very sophisticated. Every material culture will leave artefacts, weapons, etc. for archaeologists to find. If all they can find are simple weapons and no armour, then their military would probably have been simple indeed. This is not always true though (take the Zulu's for one), but then again if they had an effective and unified military, we would have probably heard about them from contemporary historians.

As for Eastern Europe, there is indeed a dearth of sources, but there is a pretty good chance the Lugii of southern Poland are going to be included in EB2. They were in the running for EB1, but lost out to the Saba. An alternative would be the Bastarnae, but the team has made contradictory about the possibility of inclusion.

[Aemilius Paulus]

As for Eastern Europe, there is indeed a dearth of sources, but there is a pretty good chance the Lugii of southern Poland are going to be included in EB2. They were in the running for EB1, but lost out to the Saba. An alternative would be the Bastarnae, but the team has made contradictory about the possibility of inclusion.

Splendid!

[lobf]

EB2 will not contain emergent factions, Jewish or not. The Jewish revolt could be very well simulated with normal unrest. It was not as if the Hasmodean state had imperial ambitions.

Exactly. I know the team has stated this same thing about a Jewish faction in the past. They had no ambitions beyond their homeland. It would be kind of silly to be able to play a Jewish Empire in my opinion.

[-Praetor-]

The Maccabees founded the Hasmonean royal dynasty and established Jewish independence in the Land of Israel for ,about one hundred years, from 164 BCE to 63 BCE.

Of course, this happenend a little bit later than 278 BCE, but does it really matter?

Yes, it does matter for the team, since that was precisely the reason for taking the Yuezhi out of EB1. Having a faction emerge half way into the game is like using half the potential of a faction slot, and that`s not gonna happen.

Cheers!

[Majd il-Romani]

The Jews, eleutherioi or not, should fight like this
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/...7/JewJitsu.jpg

just kidding, But I have a good idea. There are 10 more faction openings availible, right? Are there 10 more factions PERIOD or aare there 10 more factions that start out with a settlement and more that appear midgame or by rebellion. Because, if there are, you could have a Macabee faction from a rebellion in Judaia, or the Yuezhi migrating to the EB map. Sure, they wouldn't be playable (on custom battle they would) but it'd be better to have them in, right?

[Foot]

Fecking hell! We are not doing a jewish faction. A minor kingdom that didn't even appear until way into our timeperiod. Please. Their importance historically and religiously masks their unimportance politically during our timeframe.

We have stated over and over again that all factions will be playable, thus making emerging factions off the table. Please, please, please do not force us to repeat ourselves over and over again. Read a little of the steles, they do actually hold information.

Foot

[a completely inoffensive name]

Fecking hell! We are not doing a jewish faction. A minor kingdom that didn't even appear until way into our timeperiod. Please. Their importance historically and religiously masks their unimportance politically during our timeframe.

We have stated over and over again that all factions will be playable, thus making emerging factions off the table. Please, please, please do not force us to repeat ourselves over and over again. Read a little of the steles, they do actually hold information.

Foot

Glad I am not a moderator... after a month I would probably ban anyone who didn't read everything in the preview threads before posting here.

[General Appo]

Fecking hell! We are not doing a jewish faction. A minor kingdom that didn't even appear until way into our timeperiod. Please. Their importance historically and religiously masks their unimportance politically during our timeframe.

We have stated over and over again that all factions will be playable, thus making emerging factions off the table. Please, please, please do not force us to repeat ourselves over and over again. Read a little of the steles, they do actually hold information.

Foot

Seeing as I´ve said it so many times now it almost seems a little cliché to repeat it, I´m just gonna let you guys imagine me saying it, just this once.
But that guy, really was trampled by....

[Dumbass]

Seeing as I´ve said it so many times now it almost seems a little cliché to repeat it, I´m just gonna let you guys imagine me saying it, just this once.
But that guy, really was trampled by....

...by the... hand?

[General Appo]

No no, I distinctly remember it was something different from the hand. Emmm... gosh, what can it be? Ah, but I know who to ask!
Foot, we really need your help here.

[Megas Methuselah]

OWNED!!!! (plz click link)

[General Appo]

No no, that´s definetely not it. Seriously Foot, you are the only one which can help! What trampled Majd il-Romani?

[Megas Methuselah]

I distinctly remember it being slightly hairy with an odd, distasteful smell....

-runs away-