New factions?

**Megas Methuselah** · 09-28-2008, 01:36

Yeah, I'm done now. But it all started with Sarcasm, so don't look go lynching me just yet.

Now, seeing as Pergamum is a new faction, I think it would be appropriate were it to be included in this thread. Now please, someone tell me the details centered around the "city-state" factions. It sounds so exciting. Whenever it enters my thought, my blood warms and my bladder gets impatient.

**Mithridates VI Eupator** · 10-01-2008, 15:31

Originally Posted by Methuselah

Now, seeing as Pergamum is a new faction, I think it would be appropriate were it to be included in this thread. Now please, someone tell me the details centered around the "city-state" factions. It sounds so exciting. Whenever it enters my thought, my blood warms and my bladder gets impatient.

This actually has some interesting implications for what new factions might be in there.

The factions will evidently be divided into four different categories, one of them being city-states.
If you think about it, there aren't many factions currently there, that bight be categorizred as such. The only ones I can come up with straight away are Pergamon and the KH (though this is actually more of a leauge of city states that a city-state in itself). Carthage and Rome could possibly be considered city-states, but that seems unlikely.

Unless the former two are the only factions in this category, which also seems unlikely, given that the other socio-political types then will have an average of roughly 9 factions each, this certainly narrows the alternatives down considerably. Some possible city-state factions have also been officialy rejected by the team, such as Kyrene and a division of the KH. This has made me draw the following conclusions:

Some possabilities might be:
1. Syracuse: Has been much debated in the past, and was active during the period. Unfortunately, not too much is known about their military, and their position would be quite difficult to hold, right between the growing empires of Carthage and Rome.
2. Massalia: Seems very unlikely, given that team members have said it probably won't be in. Does fit the criteria for a city-state quite nicely, though.
3. Gandhara: Was Taxila a city-state? I think I read that somewhere, but as I can't remember the source, I somewhat doubt its credability. Anyone care to enlighten me?

4. Tylis: The Thracian kingdom of the Odrysiai was centered around the city of Tylis. Was definately active during the period, however did never expand far from its original boundries.
5. Bosphoran kingdom (maybe): Centered around Pantikapaion, however uncertain wether they can actually be called a city-state. Is a quite possible candidate for a faction, though.

In the case the KH is a city-state faction, other alternatives are:
6. Aetolian leauge: Active during the period, did temporarily controll large parts of Greece. It was involved in both wars and alliances with Macedonia as well as Rome and the AS.
7. Aechaean Leauge: Also active, and important in greek internal politics of the period. Would require a new province in the Peloponesse, however, and seems overall less likely that the Aetolians.

Anyway, the prospect of different factions having different socio-political configurations has intrigued me quite a lot since their mention in the Gaza-announcement, and hopefully, we will know their true nature before long.

**Megas Methuselah** · 10-01-2008, 21:50

Originally Posted by Mithridates VI Eupator

Anyway, the prospect of different factions having different socio-political configurations has intrigued me quite a lot since their mention in the Gaza-announcement, and hopefully, we will know their true nature before long.

Wow... I'm alread pissing myself in anticipation!

**Mithridates VI Eupator** · 10-01-2008, 21:54

Originally Posted by Methuselah

Wow... I'm alread pissing myself in anticipation!

We're all in the urinal, but some of us are looking at the stars...

**Kuningaz** · 10-02-2008, 22:08

I´m sorry to destroy your theory, but as it says in the preview of the Gaza Campaign that you will be introduced to this culture, I would say they actually consider either Ptolemaioi or Arche Seleukeia as city state factions... (Cause I don´t think neither KH nor Pergamon have much to do with Gaza)

**General Appo** · 10-02-2008, 23:29

How could they possible consider the Arche Seleukeia a city-state faction? `Cause you know, it wasn´t.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 10-03-2008, 01:24

After wondering what the EB map would look like, with ten new factions on it I am starting to think I wont be able to have my fun "isolated from the rest of the world until the time is right" campaigns.

**Mithridates VI Eupator** · 10-03-2008, 13:34

Originally Posted by Kuningaz

I´m sorry to destroy your theory, but as it says in the preview of the Gaza Campaign that you will be introduced to this culture, I would say they actually consider either Ptolemaioi or Arche Seleukeia as city state factions... (Cause I don´t think neither KH nor Pergamon have much to do with Gaza)

Well, I don't think that Ptolemaioi or AS will be city-state factions. Having the two largest empires in the western world posing as city-states makes absolutely no sense.

Also, I haven't gotten any confirmation from the team on this, but I would guess that the factions in the tutorial will not be factions from the real campaign. Especially when one considers that when the EB-campaign starts, Antigonos, apparantly the main adversary in the tutorial, has been dead for 30 years.