BAILOUT: Yes or No?

[Koga No Goshi]

I'm sorry CR, but both the Republicans and Democrats failed in this endeavor. The Democrats failed after the Republicans failed - but you can't say that the Republicans didn't fail.

I'm not sure that sucess would have been a good thing anyway, but the dual failure is pretty obvious.

My feeling as well. I'm glad this incarnation didn't pass, and I don't think going "ha ha the Republicans blocked this one" and then "ha ha the Democrats failed to pass that one" is very informative or helpful at this point. By a 9:1 margin public calls to Congressional offices are saying no, no, no to both parties. So expecting a partisan lockstep vote either way by either side is totally unrealistic. Pelosi couldn't get all the Dems to vote yes but Bush and McCain combined could only get 1 out of 3 Republicans to vote yes. So um... let's call that one a draw. ;)

[ICantSpellDawg]

My feeling as well. I'm glad this incarnation didn't pass, and I don't think going "ha ha the Republicans blocked this one" and then "ha ha the Democrats failed to pass that one" is very informative or helpful at this point. By a 9:1 margin public calls to Congressional offices are saying no, no, no to both parties. So expecting a partisan lockstep vote either way by either side is totally unrealistic. Pelosi couldn't get all the Dems to vote yes but Bush and McCain combined could only get 1 out of 3 Republicans to vote yes. So um... let's call that one a draw. ;)

You've got to admit that her speech was insanely incendiary. I don't believe that it caused the house Republicans to vote no, but it certainly didn't inspire them with the bi-partisan sentiment necessary to get the bill through.

[Koga No Goshi]

You've got to admit that her speech was insanely incendiary. I don't believe that it caused the house Republicans to vote no, but it certainly didn't inspire them with the bi-partisan sentiment necessary to get the bill through.

If you dont' believe it influenced the Republican vote then it is totally irrelevant. It is the excuse I'm hearing floating around on the airwaves a lot for why so many Republicans voted no. It doesn't say much if Republicans sincerely believe the country needs this, to give a spite vote because they don't like Pelosi. I don't think she's the best thing since sliced bread but I think we should be getting our panties into a twist less over what she can or can't do considering that Bush and McCain together apparently can do even less than she can.

[Azi Tohak]

FYI Gentlemen: Working in Saudi my TV news source is BBC World News. I really like them, but last night while I was watching the vote, the anchor blamed Republicans for the failure. She didn't even mention that 40% of the Dems voted no. Not once.

I wonder if this is because Bush has given all Republicans a bad name or if BBC World News wants a Democrat president for the USA.

At any rate, back on topic: I still know so little about all of this I don't even know which way I would have voted. Personally, I am inclined to think that the market can (eventually) sort itself out. We've been due for another recession anyway. Yuck.

I do think it is interesting to speculate on the future. Will the USA still be a superpower? Is it still a superpower? The country has been brought low not by wars (even if they are costly) but by some greedy bastards on Wall Street.

Azi

[Koga No Goshi]

FYI Gentlemen: Working in Saudi my TV news source is BBC World News. I really like them, but last night while I was watching the vote, the anchor blamed Republicans for the failure. She didn't even mention that 40% of the Dems voted no. Not once.

I wonder if this is because Bush has given all Republicans a bad name or if BBC World News wants a Democrat president for the USA.

The vote was:

Dems Reps
Yes 140 65
No 95 133


Rep no votes nearly equalled the Dem yes votes, even though they're the minority party.

So how does it constitute a foreign conspiracy to influence our Presidential outcome by saying the Reps were primarily responsible for stopping the bill? They were. People are getting hypersensitive and tossing around the term blame. You guys should be proud the Reps stopped it, the bill in its current form is crap.

[Spino]

You've got to admit that her speech was insanely incendiary. I don't believe that it caused the house Republicans to vote no, but it certainly didn't inspire them with the bi-partisan sentiment necessary to get the bill through.

I can understand why she said those things... She's probably still bitter about the fact that nobody bought her recent book.

Nothing makes an egomaniac more bitter and resentful than when they're being blatantly ignored.

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[Koga No Goshi]

Nothing makes an egomaniac more bitter and resentful than when they're being blatantly ignored.
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Certainly explains McCain, and Bush too for that matter. Spino, is there any political opinion you have that doesn't boil down to, some half-baked psychological deconstruction which seems exclusively reserved for people not on your side of the aisle? Someone listens to too much Michael Savage.

[Spino]

Certainly explains McCain, and Bush too for that matter. Spino, is there any political opinion you have that doesn't boil down to, some half-baked psychological deconstruction which seems exclusively reserved for people not on your side of the aisle? Someone listens to too much Michael Savage.

Or Franks, or Obama, or Biden, or Stevens, and so on and so on and so on. Pelosi is like Bush, she's far too easy to pick on but you do it anyway because you can't help yourself. You're reading waaaay too much into my comedic drive-by. Feel free to let one loose at a Republican congressmen/senator of your choosing.

Savage? Bah. I don't listen to talk radio, there's far better things I can do with my time... like playing computer games or flaming in my favorite forums.

You see Idaho has shown me the light. I'm all about the drive-bys now. I've decided to cash in my partisan bickering wheels for a dee-lux pimped out gangsta coach with phat rims and a Tec-9 stashed under the seat. I offered to ride shotgun for Idaho but he said no way, I might ruin his custom Corinthian leather upholstery...

[Koga No Goshi]

You see Idaho has shown me the light. I'm all about the drive-bys now. I've decided to cash in my partisan bickering wheels for a dee-lux pimped out gangsta coach with phat rims and a Tec-9 stashed under the seat.

I wasn't aware you ever did much more than that in political discussions anyway, but suit yourself.

[Mangudai]

Shrub probably didn't understand the problems with Fannie and Freddie. Most of the public and the politicians didn't understand it either. That's OK, not everybody is expected to be an expert on these issues. Only the Senators and Congressmen on particular committees are expected to understand details like banking regulation.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_c...eature=related

It's pretty clear that a group of Republicans wanting reform would have to persuade the rest of their party who didn't understand the issues, at a time when the war of terror was everybody's focus. Then they would have to force a purely partisan bill through both houses. The democrats would be screaming that these measures discriminate against the poor and racial minorities.

Spread the blame, that's fine with me. But, lets be honest about who had the right ideas, and whose ideas were wrong.