Preview: The Gaza Campaign

**gosam** · 10-01-2008, 15:07

How about the units displayed? Hoplites and phalangites are obvious. The very first ones shown have thureos and other large shields, linothorax, javelins, a spear and greaves, so I guess that makes them Thurephoroi.

but what about the ones in 1:30? They have the same large shields but no armor and no greaves (or I didn't see well), and they seem to be holding a sword. Would those be peltastai? In EB1 they did have linothorax though, and the Euzonoi were shown with smaller round shields in the preview IIRC.

Anyways, your work looks absolutely amazing! Congratulations on such a good piece of art.

**Foot** · 10-01-2008, 15:20

No, they are Euzonoi. Euzonoi have always been shown with thureos. You may be thinking of the akontistai (don't recall if we had shown them though).

Foot

**JMRC** · 10-01-2008, 21:34

Originally Posted by gosam

How about the units displayed? Hoplites and phalangites are obvious. The very first ones shown have thureos and other large shields, linothorax, javelins, a spear and greaves, so I guess that makes them Thurephoroi.

but what about the ones in 1:30? They have the same large shields but no armor and no greaves (or I didn't see well), and they seem to be holding a sword. Would those be peltastai? In EB1 they did have linothorax though, and the Euzonoi were shown with smaller round shields in the preview IIRC.

Anyways, your work looks absolutely amazing! Congratulations on such a good piece of art.

The units pictured in the movie were: phalangitai, hoplitai, euzonoi, akontistai, hippeis, hippakontistai and thureophoroi.

**Mithridates VI Eupator** · 10-01-2008, 22:00

All units that have been previewed so far are Hellenistic ones. I'm very much looking forward to the day we will se some of the new eastern units. Parthian heavy cataphract... *drewl*

If we're lucky, there will be some eastern units in the Gaza-campaign, although not cataphracts, maybe. I happen to be more of a heavy cavalry/archer man, myself, you see, and even though I like hellenic infantry a lot, I tend to returm to cavalry-factions again and again.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 10-01-2008, 22:15

@MP: from my dictionary:

Code:

 
logxh : spearhead(s) (pl.)
        : lance, spear

Arguably the Greeks weren't quite as concerned with precise dictionary-like definitions as we are (we try to make sense of it; to them it made in and of itself perfect sense -- I guess), so there may be a slight misunderstanding. Got to note it is a 'classical' meaning, it might've evolved over time...

Yet: check out this link as well: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...try%3D%2363784

Note that this too mentions 'lance'.

**MeinPanzer** · 10-02-2008, 01:48

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

@MP: from my dictionary:

Code:

 
logxh : spearhead(s) (pl.)
        : lance, spear

Arguably the Greeks weren't quite as concerned with precise dictionary-like definitions as we are (we try to make sense of it; to them it made in and of itself perfect sense -- I guess), so there may be a slight misunderstanding. Got to note it is a 'classical' meaning, it might've evolved over time...

Yet: check out this link as well: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...try%3D%2363784

Note that this too mentions 'lance'.

The translation of 'lance' is incorrect (as these military terms are often loosely translated), and can also be found in many translations.

Despite this, it can still be found in LSJ's non-generic definition of the word: II. a lance, spear, javelin, Lat. lancea. However, an examination of the uses of the word, and the fact that it is a cognate with lancea, show that it refers to a light spear. The association with lance seems to be due to that word's etymological links with longche, but is not substantiated in the actual evidence.

**paullus** · 10-02-2008, 03:04

the longche was very likely a dual-use spear at least during the Hellenistic period. eventually the EB2 lonchophoroi may throw 1-2 longche before charging with spear. The problem is, if we do that, the swords have to disappear. In the original creation of the unit, we decided that the sword outweighed the "heavy" javelins. That may be re-evaluated.