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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Oh, no. Really they don't, most frenchies are amazed there is such a thing as a world beyond France. They are probably more american then the americans stereotype-technically speaking. Americans shouldn't be so insecure about all that, it's quite telling that all the top universities are in the US. The constant bickering or outright battles between scholars in magazines, not here. We made all that up, America is the intellectual battlefield

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    In a world of terrorism, hijackings, hurricanes, foreign policy debacles and collapsing economies...

    there stands, alone, one foreigner unapologetically in complete awe of all things Status Quoian American.

    That man is Fragony.
    Yep. I consider America to be the hight of civilization. Such a huge country with so little internal turmoil, and the most gentle superpower that ever was. It has the right idea and the right spirit, if you want to feel bad about yourselve ask why a black man can actually run for president. Do you really think that would be possible in an european country? You would be way off if you do.

    Oh, and kill them, build dikes, carry on, you'll be fine.

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    Default Re: Nobel Judge says Americans caint write no good

    Fragony, nope, it was an error...

    However, I speak 3 languages fluidly and I can bluff me through 3 more...

    How many languages do you speak? English is in fact my third language, I am more fluid in german and swedish.

    Before you judge peoples spelling, make sure it doesnt make you look stupid. Fair enough?

    Husar, my fingers are sometimes to big for the keyboard:)

    What is the point of pointing out spelling errors anyway?

    Or, do you claim that my argument is less valid cause my English is not perfect? If so, I invite you to further the conversation in a language I am more fluid in... Det borde väl inte vara några problem, eller hur?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Fragony, nope, it was an error...

    However, I speak 3 languages fluidly and I can bluff me through 3 more...

    How many languages do you speak? English is in fact my third language, I am more fluid in german and swedish.

    Before you judge peoples spelling, make sure it doesnt make you look stupid. Fair enough?

    Husar, my fingers are sometimes to big for the keyboard:)

    What is the point of pointing out spelling errors anyway?

    Or, do you claim that my argument is less valid cause my English is not perfect? If so, I invite you to further the conversation in a language I am more fluid in... Det borde väl inte vara några problem, eller hur?

    Didn't mean any harm, sorry if it appeared that way. That really wasn't my intention.

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    Default Re: Nobel Judge says Americans caint write no good

    Fragony, fair enough:)





    This may just be my perspective... But I think this is what the article is about.

    If a swede writes a book about, say, the end of the world... It might very well be a swede as the main character, however, the setting wouldnt take place only in Sweden, the character would travel the world in his pursuit.

    In american litterature, the setting will most of the time take place in the US, and the US alone.

    Now, this example is extremly general, and counter-claims can be made from both points.

    But, as a rule, american litterature is very centered around the US, where European litterature is more international.

    Am I wrong?

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    Default Re: Nobel Judge says Americans caint write no good

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Fragony, fair enough:)





    This may just be my perspective... But I think this is what the article is about.

    If a swede writes a book about, say, the end of the world... It might very well be a swede as the main character, however, the setting wouldnt take place only in Sweden, the character would travel the world in his pursuit.

    In american litterature, the setting will most of the time take place in the US, and the US alone.

    Now, this example is extremly general, and counter-claims can be made from both points.

    But, as a rule, american litterature is very centered around the US, where European litterature is more international.

    Am I wrong?
    America is a very very very large country. With about 30 times the population of Sweden. There is a reason we seem so insular. We are trying to find out as much as we can about our other countrymen first!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    But, as a rule, american litterature is very centered around the US, where European litterature is more international.

    Am I wrong?
    It is huge, I don't know if you have ever been there but I can't really blame americans for being america-minded, it takes me 2 hours to travel from the south of the netherlands to the north, how can you compare that? International is our reality.

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    I'd also interject that to me, Europeans seem to want to have their cake and eat it too. You formed the European Union, claiming you're one united people. Then you claim you're international because you travel from Geneva to Munich. 450KM!!! You can do that and not even leave the state in several U.S. states.

    All of that being said, I think America's awareness of the rest of the world is growing. It just takes time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    litterature
    I think what Fragony was pointing out is that looks more like a play on words then a spelling mistake.

    It looks like the word literature combined with litter.

    Which aptly describes most of the backroom IMDHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Yep. I consider America to be the hight of civilization. Such a huge country with so little internal turmoil, and the most gentle superpower that ever was. It has the right idea and the right spirit, if you want to feel bad about yourselve ask why a black man can actually run for president. Do you really think that would be possible in an european country? You would be way off if you do.

    Oh, and kill them, build dikes, carry on, you'll be fine.
    On the macro level, if you think America has done a great job in the world, and could have been a hell of a lot worse, that's your perogative.

    In most other regards, though, I think someone who doesn't live here, doesn't worry that a sudden illness is going to absolutely wreck a lifetime of "responsibility" and "saving", doesn't worry that their kid will wind up in a horrible, ghetto public school if they can't afford an expensive, nice-enough house in an expensive, nice-enough neighborhood, and basically just doesn't have the experience of life in America as an American, having nothing but wholehearted admiration for all things America does and opposes change or criticism of anything America does, is engaging in idle fanboyism in important issues issues (to us) when, as others have stated, you have no real skin in the game.

    Completely off topic. My apologies to OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    On the macro level, if you think America has done a great job in the world, and could have been a hell of a lot worse, that's your perogative.

    In most other regards, though, I think someone who doesn't live here, doesn't worry that a sudden illness is going to absolutely wreck a lifetime of "responsibility" and "saving", doesn't worry that their kid will wind up in a horrible, ghetto public school if they can't afford an expensive, nice-enough house in an expensive, nice-enough neighborhood, and basically just doesn't have the experience of life in America as an American, having nothing but wholehearted admiration for all things America does and opposes change or criticism of anything America does, is engaging in idle fanboyism in important issues issues (to us) when, as others have stated, you have no real skin in the game.

    Completely off topic. My apologies to OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi
    In a world of terrorism, hijackings, hurricanes, foreign policy debacles and collapsing economies...

    there stands, alone, one foreigner unapologetically in complete awe of all things Status Quoian American.

    That man is Fragony.
    Ah, but then, that man is Europe's greatest philosopher. Fragony is quite correct about both America and France in this thread.


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    From the article: ...he said U.S. writers are "too sensitive to trends in their own mass culture," dragging down the quality of their work.
    In response (not defense) I would say not every piece of published work is intended to contend for the Nobel Prize in literature. I would add that most writers are looking to fill their pockets with cash and “trends in our own mass culture” are popular and lucrative to write about. I have heard of many writers who sling keys for a living having to take time off to write their novel. Trendy, pop culture sells and most of us have pills to pay.

    I have also noticed that guys with butch, feminist wives don’t have much control at home and often belittle people at work to make themselves feel important. BTW did I mention that Horace has a butch, feminist wife?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesdachi View Post
    In response (not defense) I would say not every piece of published work is intended to contend for the Nobel Prize in literature. I would add that most writers are looking to fill their pockets with cash and “trends in our own mass culture” are popular and lucrative to write about. I have heard of many writers who sling keys for a living having to take time off to write their novel. Trendy, pop culture sells and most of us have pills to pay.

    I have also noticed that guys with butch, feminist wives don’t have much control at home and often belittle people at work to make themselves feel important. BTW did I mention that Horace has a butch, feminist wife?
    Eventhough I do not agree with you, I feel an urge to applaud your post...
    *and the thing about his butch feminist wife is oh so true, I had to endure a 3 hour seminar with her at university.... Afterwards I was unsure if I should cut off my balls or just shoot her*

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