Broken Crescent 3 Diplomacy: Progress

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Roman ambassador wakes up

Rome wishes to reaffirm our allegiance with the Western Coalition, and warns that those nations who are threatening our allies should reconsider.

The Roman diplomat falls back asleep, and spills his goblet of wine all over himself.

[phonicsmonkey]

OOC: ATPG, are you still in the game? I thought you were leaving...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I agree with the economical help but not military one! This is war is between those two so lets make sure that it will stay that way!

[Merlox123]

The Omani's Diplomat sighs in relief.

That sounds more of a way to control a war to me, which is good... Hopefully I will not be forced to march my armies to no where.

[Thermal]

the talk you infidels drivel out, i said our peoples had 2 forces in georgian land, defending there provinces, not attacking or causing WAR, something the damned caliph servent seem to have mis-intrepreted in the presence of this incapable diplomat, oh, yes also im sorry if the omans think were foolish and laughable for defending an ally, oh how stupid of us, i forgot it was one your rules to be a cold-selfish nation now, if defending my fellow coalition while not being a eerie creepy to secure false peace, then so be it, 'barbarians' can at least express a view, which is why were so intelligent in comparison to narrow minded omans, while these armies defend georgia others go to antolia doing the honorable thing, call us cowards for helping allies? no the grand seljuks cowardly attacking the small georgians? regardless they will be forced our helps and no amount of your diplomatic blabber will change that
actions speak louder then words, though you wont even be able to say them lest i cut your vile tongues off

[Chaotix]

I agree whole-heartedly with my ally the Kypchak. Truly you cannot suggest that those in our alliance close enough to send troops to defend Georgia from these warmongering Seljuks, would instead just sit by and throw gold at our ally while their cities are razed? Remember this: the Seljuks are the aggressor in this war! The Georgians, and through through their alliance, the Turks of Rum and the Kypchaks as well, are defending the lands of Georgia. Nothing more, and nothing less. Asking an ally to sit and watch his friend die is preposterous!

And you, emissary of the Caliph, your master would join the burning and sieging of Georgia merely because its allies would prevent this from happening if you did not? And you call yourselves peaceful, wish for a diplomatic end to the conflict? You, who would destroy Georgia if we chose to defend it, would scold us about playing with the lives of other nations? Just who exactly do you think you are? The Caliph has no authority in Christian lands, especially not those that have never seen the touch of the crescent!

I will now make myself clear. To my allies the Kypchaks and the Turks, I would strongly suggest that you assist the Georgian military in defending its lands. I would request that you not, however, invade the territory of the Seljuks if and when they are repelled from Georgia. If Georgia wants to retaliate physically against the Seljuks, let it do that by itself. And if you, emissary of the so-called Caliph, would still invade Georgia on these terms, then I will have no choice but to declare complete and total war against between all the allies of the Western Confederation and the Golden Crescent! And in this case, all the armies of the West will strike with great force. You have shown me, Caliphate emissary, that your high and mighty master is prepared to stoop to the level of threats. You can only blame yourself now, that I have brought against you this one.

With a fire in his eyes not seen before, the Latin diplomat sits down.

[decimator22]

The turkish republic, will aid the georgians militaryly but only defensivly. we will deploy our stack in the cities the Georgians are protecting. If he wishes to continue the attack so be it. We will not follow them, but if the seljuks attack one of the cities that we are protecting, war will occur.

[Merlox123]

The Omanis diplomat clearly looks agrivated.

The Crusader's Diplomat seems to be the most logical if you are only counting the Barbarian and the Civilized Westerner. Though, As we all know, War means a very bad and lost profits in all of our countries, It is most likely that the Georgians are already experiencing that. If the Crusader states do mean the Ayyubid State, I will defend the Ayyubid with all that I can, As the Ayyubid people has not even provoked any kind of Response, and it would be a war of greed, Though, If the Caliph joins the war, And you go to war with the Caliph, Then that is a different story.

We do not seek a war with the west, as we transport goods to the west... It just does not make good sense to throw such trade like that. The Thing that we have not been hearing is a way to end this war before it goes out of control. Your Barbarian Ally does not seem to like to peacefully talk out things. As you are a Western, I am sure that you can help end this war.

The Omani's Diplomat nods his head at the Crusader's Diplomat, Clearly ignoring the Barbarian, once again.

[Chaotix]

At this point I have no quarrel with you, noble Oman, for your intentions, I believe, are fair enough. It is your Caliph that offends me, and I would hear his response before we think about any kind of peaceful resolution to this war.

And while my Kypchak friend's civilization may not be as eloquent and cultured as ours, his actions will speak louder than his words, I assure you, and he is a man who follows through on his intentions.

[Merlox123]

That scares me even more Crusader, If that is so, That barbarian will send his forces passed every one and attempt to raid and pillage my lands, on the Arabian Coast!!!

[Thermal]

That scares me even more Crusader, If that is so, That barbarian will send his forces passed every one and attempt to raid and pillage my lands, on the Arabian Coast!!!

hahaha! defending georgian allies is hardly a threat to go to arabia, your lands are worthless, pathetic, i wouldnt step foot on it if it was a mere mile from kiev itself! i thank the catholics for there support, we are perfectly clear of the caliphs intentions to go to india, so i think its them that our over stretching themselves, anyway, the khans and the catholics motive are very similiar, worded in similiar ways, so i fail to see why my words disappoint you, though i have a vision that your hell bent on getting your allies killed....

[Merlox123]

The Omani's Will remain good relations between all of the west, We will not act on part of the agression that has done by the Seljuk Turks against turks, Though, We will be forced If invade Seljuk after the attacking armies, have been defeated. It is not our way to go to war, With people who we want to help prosper. With Rome having a defensive alliance with the Ayyubid Kingdom, I would also like to have an Defensive Alliance with the Kingdom of Jerusalem, as well as trade rights. I would think that the Jerusalem people would be happy of this, When Islam and Christians could prosper, Such as the Turk Sultanate and the Roman Alliance, If these people can put aside religion for Tolerance, Then let it be.

The Omani's is a Defensive state, and we wish to notify any one that The Omani's Arabian Trade Empire will help with defenders. To show this, We are Breaking the Alliance from the Seljuk Turks, as they do not have our best intentions at heart. The Georgians are noble people, No need on such useless Conquests... Ya?

[Thermal]

The Omani's Will remain good relations between all of the west, We will not act on part of the agression that has done by the Seljuk Turks against turks, Though, We will be forced If invade Seljuk after the attacking armies, have been defeated. It is not our way to go to war, With people who we want to help prosper. With Rome having a defensive alliance with the Ayyubid Kingdom, I would also like to have an Defensive Alliance with the Kingdom of Jerusalem, as well as trade rights. I would think that the Jerusalem people would be happy of this, When Islam and Christians could prosper, Such as the Turk Sultanate and the Roman Alliance, If these people can put aside religion for Tolerance, Then let it be.

The Omani's is a Defensive state, and we wish to notify any one that The Omani's Arabian Trade Empire will help with defenders. To show this, We are Breaking the Alliance from the Seljuk Turks, as they do not have our best intentions at heart. The Georgians are noble people, No need on such useless Conquests... Ya?

i hear some sense at last, a war with you could never outbrake with the coalation regardless of our relations, merely because your nigh impossible to reach benesath miles of forbidden sand, though if the rest of your 'golden crescent' group are aggressive, then i cant see your agreement being of use, though that has absolutely nothing to do with me...

[Ramses II CP]

I want to make it absolutely clear here that any nation which is at war with a member of the Confederacy or the Eastern Alliance should consider themselves to also be at war with the Sindh. There will be no warnings or observations of a technical state of peace; if you wish peace make peace with the Confederacy as a whole. If you are fighting our allies, you are fighting us, and may Allah have mercy on your remains.

We pray for peace, but we will not shrink from war where ever it finds us or our allies.

[Merlox123]

The Omani's Diplat chuckled at the Khan's Diplomat's with a smile on his face of a good expression, started to use some Sisha and shrugged.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want to make it absolutely clear here that any nation which is at war with a member of the Confederacy or the Eastern Alliance should consider themselves to also be at war with the Sindh. There will be no warnings or observations of a technical state of peace; if you wish peace make peace with the Confederacy as a whole. If you are fighting our allies, you are fighting us, and may Allah have mercy on your remains.

We pray for peace, but we will not shrink from war where ever it finds us or our allies.

The roman ambassador lifts his head.

Great Sindh ambassador, the nation of Rome, independent of our defensive alliances with the Ayyubids and the Western Coalition, wishes to extend it's hand in friendship, though we are so distant. Our defensive alliances should not interfere with Roman-Sindh relations.

Do not mistake our lack of contact for hostility, it is only that you are so distant from us and matters of state have kept us from establishing relations. Let us know if Rome can be of any assistance towards aggressor nations.

We have not been informed of the current status of the Confederacy or the Eastern Alliance. Would you be so kind as to send us a scroll containing information as to your diplomatic relations with other nations? We would not wish to send aid to your enemies, after all.

[Ramses II CP]

The Eastern Islamic Alliance is prosecuting a just war against the hindu Rajput people after they were caught preparing an invasion of Sindh lands, but rest assured I will not count your coins agaisnt you if I find them in hindu cities. I expect that all their lands will soon be our lands in any case, so wealth dedicated to their cause will soon be wealth serving my own ends.

As far as I am aware the Confederacy is not actively at war with any nation, though the Caliph has felt sufficiently threatened to invoke my treaty obligation and so Sindh troops are in Abbasid lands helping to keep the peace. This is why it is most important to make the point that the Sindh will immediately enter any war their brothers become embroiled in.

[Askthepizzaguy]

At present the Romans have no need to send aid to the Hindus who have not made contact with us.

It is good to hear you have no other enemies, that we might deal freely with other eastern nations without offending you.

[Thermal]

maybe the indians should be pressured into diplomatic envolvment, you may 'think' they were preparing attack, but if you start the war then your just as bad, we should privately message the indian leader and demand answers, to avoid unnecessary war

[Ramses II CP]

I do not consider it a matter of guesswork that the Hindus were preparing to invade, but if your intent is to call my people liars then simply be straightforward.

In point of fact a diplomatic solution was offered and went unanswered, perhaps because the shame of the warmongers was too great in the face of their impending defeat...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The Abbasid diplomat speaks..

Wait a minute!! Looks like your Armies were on the lands of Georgians long time before the war erupted, Kypchak! So to hide yourself behind the 'defending my ally' is stupid! What were your Armies doing there really? I think that they were getting ready to attack us, the Golden Crescent Confederation! If this is the case then be careful because We will destroy them! Also I must say this again - If Kypchak Armies enter the Seljuk lands we will send our forces to help them!

[Chaotix]

And how could you possibly know this to be true, except if you had spies inside Georgia before the Seljuks started their invasion? It appears you have been planning an invasion since before the Seljuks even attacked! And if you weren't, as you will undoubtedly claim, then what were they doing there? Having spies inside foreign territory is grounds for a war itself- the same type of war that your ally the Sindh is now waging on the Hindus!

We had sent the Kypchak armies to Georgia because they were useless on the steppes where they were, as the Western Alliance called for a demilitarization of borders. Thus, we placed them in Georgia, where they would be useful in the anticipation that the Golden Crescent might invade. An anticipation, I will add, that was not far off, as Georgia is now full of Seljuk armies and Abassid spies!
The Kypchak armies will stay in Georgia and crush any foreign military, Seljuk or otherwise, that enters the realm, but will not in turn invade other, foreign countries. This is, of course, on the assumption that he rest of the Golden Crescent does not send their armies to Georgia, because in that case, there would little reason for any of the nations of the Western Alliance to stay their own hands. You cannot persecute us with your moral preachings now, for whatever your definition of a defensive alliance is, ours implies that one actually defends its allies in their times of need. And your use of spies is grounds enough for a war itself, but the King of Jerusalem will let you live this one time, in his kindness.

[phonicsmonkey]

Quttub rises in anger, sneezing ferociously as he begins to speak.

The King of Jerusalem is full of threats and accusations today! How dare he speak in such a way to a descendent of the Prophet!

He is quite the hypocrite to try to make the Golden Crescent seem like aggressors, when he himself rejected honest and generous terms of alliance and peace with Egypt, and has already once been caught massing armies on our borders.

Soon the world will see who the true aggressor is, as he strikes without just cause or warning against his neighbour!

King Baldwin, we are watching you from Egypt and we know your intention is to stir up war between the Confederation and your 'Western' alliance - be honest and manly about it and mask not your true intentions in weasel words!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Abbasid emissary rises...

Ambassador of Jerusalem, no we don't have spies in Georgia. The Kypchak emissary himself mentioned that they already have two armies in Georgian lands. I doubt they were there because they wanted to protect the Georgians. Most likely they were heading south to attack the followers of True Faith! It's not possible that just after the start of the war between Seljuks and Georgia the Kypchak armies were supplied and ready to go 'defend' the Georgian lands!

[Thermal]

maybe the indians should be pressured into diplomatic envolvment, you may 'think' they were preparing attack, but if you start the war then your just as bad, we should privately message the indian leader and demand answers, to avoid unnecessary war

if a comment like this can spark a person so much, they need psyceratric help...

[Thermal]

as jerusalem said, my noble allies, the khans forces are pointless in the steppes, the plan was to keep one force in georgia and another in antolia and this was before the peace loving seljuks decared war! our armies come margianlly closer to you and you get scared! we already expressed our plans, not everything revolves around the caliph, now do be quiet, we want nothing with your lands

[Thermal]

(sorry to triple post)

also, back on track before that...distraction,
sindh, we said only to pressure diplomatic involvement, we were being forward with you, good heavens were the most forward people here, don't twist our words, as i was saying, know one else has evidence of this, and the indians havent declared war on you yet right? so your just as accuse able...

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Quttub rises in anger, sneezing ferociously as he begins to speak.

The King of Jerusalem is full of threats and accusations today! How dare he speak in such a way to a descendent of the Prophet!

He is quite the hypocrite to try to make the Golden Crescent seem like aggressors, when he himself rejected honest and generous terms of alliance and peace with Egypt, and has already once been caught massing armies on our borders.

Soon the world will see who the true aggressor is, as he strikes without just cause or warning against his neighbour!

King Baldwin, we are watching you from Egypt and we know your intention is to stir up war between the Confederation and your 'Western' alliance - be honest and manly about it and mask not your true intentions in weasel words!

I would caution the Ayyubids that their sharp tongues are not welcome in these chambers. It is difficult to maintain an alliance with nations who posture so aggressively, for it might interfere with our alliance with the King of Jerusalem.

I warn both sides against starting any conflict, because Rome froms greatly upon aggressors.

[Thermal]

rome froms on aggressors? cool! do they frown on aggressors too?

i would like to make it clear that i am 100% behind the kingdom of jerusalem, i understand rome are keeping a balanced council, but i think they should be more clear about there wants themselves, we can mask it behind false words, but wars inevitable, why bother waiting another half-year or so, the only thing that is stopping a full scale war is pride and not being masked as the 'aggressor' well the way i see it and how were acting were all aggressors, and i think if the indians knew what fools attended this council, they'd be glad they never came, lucky them for not being plagued with this racket!

[phonicsmonkey]

Quttub turns to the Roman diplomat.

I apologise my friend if my words have made your position uncomfortable.

I sought only to expose what I see as the thinly veiled excuses for war which are being perpetrated in this Council by members of the Western Alliance, and to make it clear to all present who the true aggressors are.

Can you blame us for being frustrated when we hear such things as 'wars inevitable, why bother waiting another half-year or so, the only thing that is stopping a full scale war is pride'?

Let all here know that the Ayyubids have not, and will not raise a hand in aggression against another nation.