The Great Game, another loss

[Strike For The South]

Let it be known I skirt topics due to a short attention span and alcohol.

Ahem:

It all comes down to demographics and fortunately those are in our favor. The older gentleman have to much wrapped up in islam and the local power politics of the region. So what should we do? Bribe all the tribal leaders we can. Do everything within our power to pit as many of these people against each-other as possible. Then we educate the women and the younglings give them the power. Teach them that a constitutional democracy is the way to go. Build schools roads and hospitals so in ten years time these people will not be lead by a strongman but by a belief in Afghanistan. The US military operations is something Im not worried about because at the end of the day the military side of this plays a very small role in what this country becomes. It is about how we attack the culture.

[KarlXII]

Let it be known I skirt topics due to a short attention span and alcohol.

Ahem:

It all comes down to demographics and fortunately those are in our favor. The older gentleman have to much wrapped up in islam and the local power politics of the region. So what should we do? Bribe all the tribal leaders we can. Do everything within our power to pit as many of these people against each-other as possible. Then we educate the women and the younglings give them the power. Teach them that a constitutional democracy is the way to go. Build schools roads and hospitals so in ten years time these people will not be lead by a strongman but by a belief in Afghanistan. The US military operations is something Im not worried about because at the end of the day the military side of this plays a very small role in what this country becomes. It is about how we attack the culture.

Aren't we already doing that? The Warlord in the South rebeled! Oh no! Let's pay another warlord to defeat him! Wait, now he's rebelling? Man, we're running out of warlords very fast.

[Strike For The South]

Aren't we already doing that? The Warlord in the South rebeled! Oh no! Let's pay another warlord to defeat him! Wait, now he's rebelling? Man, we're running out of warlords very fast.

Well we need more troops as well, however I am a firm believer money>religion any day of the week. Just look at why we were able to hand over the Anbar Provence.

[Koga No Goshi]

Well we need more troops as well, however I am a firm believer money>religion any day of the week. Just look at why we were able to hand over the Anbar Provence.

I agree completely. People who say this is all about religion are totally off their rocker. Aside from lone fanatics there is no terrorist group out there (or rebel group, or insurgency, or militia, or whatever), regardless of religious affiliation, which isn't out to accomplish geopolitical goals. i.e., indirectly, money.

[Kadagar_AV]

1. The US has up on a huge scale in this area. It seems they had no knowing of the area before going in.

2. If the US withdraws, it will be WORSE than under the taliban regime, they at least kept some sort of control.

3. Don't expect UN/NATO forces to do your dity laundry. We were all against this ill-planned war. Its is your mess, sort it out yourself. It was better before you started it, when you get it back to the state it was before you attacked, we will give it some consideration.

4. Afghanistan was attacked because that is where Bin laden, or one of his copies, were right after 9/11. One MIGHT think you would havw gone after Saudi Arabia, but no, you choose Afghanistan because they have no oil and no ties with the president.

Of course, Bin Laden left the county as you attacked, and then you were stuck in a meaningless war. To be quite honest, I think the Afghanistan war has hurt the US more, in general terms, than 9/11 did. Shall we call this a doubble victory for Bin Laden, or what?

5. You can not blame Afghan leadership. They were set up from the start - "Hey, let's give local warlords weapons and training and use them as cannon fodder instead of US troops".

a coupel of months later

"Huh, why are the local warlords fighting for independance, and how come they have so sofisticated weapons and tactics?"





From my perspective, and bear in mind I am probably the only one who actually been there: You can either:

A) Just leave. After soem time a local warlords will take over and we wil have a new terror regime much like the taliban.

B) Spend trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lifes forcing the country to become a democrasy.

[Strike For The South]

1. The US has up on a huge scale in this area. It seems they had no knowing of the area before going in.

2. If the US withdraws, it will be WORSE than under the taliban regime, they at least kept some sort of control.

3. Don't expect UN/NATO forces to do your dity laundry. We were all against this ill-planned war. Its is your mess, sort it out yourself. It was better before you started it, when you get it back to the state it was before you attacked, we will give it some consideration.

4. Afghanistan was attacked because that is where Bin laden, or one of his copies, were right after 9/11. One MIGHT think you would havw gone after Saudi Arabia, but no, you choose Afghanistan because they have no oil and no ties with the president.

Of course, Bin Laden left the county as you attacked, and then you were stuck in a meaningless war. To be quite honest, I think the Afghanistan war has hurt the US more, in general terms, than 9/11 did. Shall we call this a doubble victory for Bin Laden, or what?

5. You can not blame Afghan leadership. They were set up from the start - "Hey, let's give local warlords weapons and training and use them as cannon fodder instead of US troops".

a coupel of months later

"Huh, why are the local warlords fighting for independance, and how come they have so sofisticated weapons and tactics?"





From my perspective, and bear in mind I am probably the only one who actually been there: You can either:

A) Just leave. After soem time a local warlords will take over and we wil have a new terror regime much like the taliban.

B) Spend trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lifes forcing the country to become a democrasy.

lies in bold

[Koga No Goshi]

lies in bold

Historical revisionism if you think most of the hijackers weren't Saudi. And other than the oil trade and the ties between the Saudi royals and the Bush family, what is your explanation for why we never chastise them or even declare them a rogue state given their human rights record and state sponsor of fundamentalist extremism?

[Koga No Goshi]

Let it be known I skirt topics due to a short attention span and alcohol.

Ahem:

It all comes down to demographics and fortunately those are in our favor. The older gentleman have to much wrapped up in islam and the local power politics of the region. So what should we do? Bribe all the tribal leaders we can. Do everything within our power to pit as many of these people against each-other as possible. Then we educate the women and the younglings give them the power. Teach them that a constitutional democracy is the way to go. Build schools roads and hospitals so in ten years time these people will not be lead by a strongman but by a belief in Afghanistan. The US military operations is something Im not worried about because at the end of the day the military side of this plays a very small role in what this country becomes. It is about how we attack the culture.

This is a much better plan, Strike, than "lol don't do any of that and if a democracy doesn't emerge it's the Afghans' fault." I'd endorse it given what the alternatives seem to be.