The Great Game, another loss

**Koga No Goshi** · 10-11-2008, 01:32

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I know the were Saudi but they were based in Afghanistan. Or is that more revisionism? So if I start a terror group in Chile that means whoever I attack will attack America because that is were Im from?

No, the training camps were in Afghanistan. Led by a Saudi ex-prince. And probably funded with a lot of Saudi money. Which indirectly came from us, from the oil trade.

What have we done about Saudi Arabia?

**Strike For The South** · 10-11-2008, 01:34

Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

No, the training camps were in Afghanistan. Led by a Saudi ex-prince. And probably funded with a lot of Saudi money. Which indirectly came from us, from the oil trade.

What have we done about Saudi Arabia?

Exactly they were based in Afghanistan. Probably does no good. Im sorry not every American dollar has no blood on it as if that were even possible

**Koga No Goshi** · 10-11-2008, 01:36

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Exactly they were based in Afghanistan. Probably does no good. Im sorry not every American dollar has no blood on it as if that were even possible

You're not getting my point. This is like arresting all the prostitutes and continuing to do business with the pimps. Or druggies and drug dealers. Whatever metaphor you'd like.

**Strike For The South** · 10-11-2008, 01:39

Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

You're not getting my point. This is like arresting all the prostitutes and continuing to do business with the pimps. Or druggies and drug dealers. Whatever metaphor you'd like.

So we should've attacked SA instead of were AL Qedia was located and thriving in Afghanistan because in SA there may or may not be people funding AQ? Because Osama has allot of money due to oil? Because you dont like them?

**Koga No Goshi** · 10-11-2008, 01:44

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

So we should've attacked SA instead of were AL Qedia was located and thriving in Afghanistan because in SA there may or may not be people funding AQ? Because Osama has allot of money due to oil? Because you dont like them?

Didn't say that. But you said that pointing out that the source of this problem, ultimately, goes back to Saudi Arabia and other places outside of Afghanistan. And you bolded it and said it was a lie. Carpet bomb Afghanistan if you like, if you think that will be the end of Middle Eastern terrorism against the U.S. you are pretty mistaken.

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-11-2008, 01:48

saudis
trained in afghanistan...
... by saudis
funded by saudis

go figure

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-11-2008, 02:01

To quote Adrian:

Oh, cut the crap already.

If the Americans had gone after Saudi Arabia, we'd be sitting here listening to how it was all about oil and how America should've gone after Afghanistan since that is a rogue state where terrorists operate freely and that Bin Laden after all was chased out of Saudi Arabia by the Saudis themselves and the other 9-11 terrorists all got their education outside of SA etcetera.

And if the Americans had gone after both we'd be talking about Syria and Algeria and Pakistan etcetera and why the Americans didn't go after the terrorists there.

And if the Americans had gone after all of those too we'd be talking about how the Americans are warmongering imperialists and that this is what America gets 9-11's.

Can't win.

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-11-2008, 02:07

Can't win.

QFT

However, if you would have gone after saudi arabia, at least the europeans wouldnt scratch their heads wondering "hmm... now why did they do that?"

**Sarmatian** · 10-11-2008, 03:39

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

To quote Adrian:

Oh, cut the crap already.

If the Americans had gone after Saudi Arabia, we'd be sitting here listening to how it was all about oil and how America should've gone after Afghanistan since that is a rogue state where terrorists operate freely and that Bin Laden after all was chased out of Saudi Arabia by the Saudis themselves and the other 9-11 terrorists all got their education outside of SA etcetera.

And if the Americans had gone after both we'd be talking about Syria and Algeria and Pakistan etcetera and why the Americans didn't go after the terrorists there.

And if the Americans had gone after all of those too we'd be talking about how the Americans are warmongering imperialists and that this is what America gets 9-11's.

Can't win.

Exactly. Invading country by country is a pretty poor solution. What should have been done is to identify canals through which terrorist groups get funding and weapons and cut them, using invasion only as a last resort. IIRC, after 9-11, Russia was interested in combining forces against terrorism and helped initially with Afghanistan but cooled off after seeing that American vision of how it should be done is very different then theirs.

This is not about hand-made guns, hand grenades or molotov coctails. In the case of 9-11, several planes were hijacked simultaneously. Now, you can't bring an AK-47 on a plane. You need a bit more sophisticated and expensive weapons. How did those weapons get on a plane? How did they get in the US? Were they made in the US? Who can make them? Those people who flew those planes had to be trained. Where were they trained? Who trained them? Most important of all questions is, of course, who provided the money for all that. That was extremely complicated, expensive and time consuming process, preparing for that attack.

Further, stop funding potential terrorist havens. Although it was known for some time that Mujahedeens and various terrorist groups fought together with Bosnian muslims, US continued to support Izetbegovic with money and weapons. It pretty much handed out visas to Bosnian citizens, with little control. Then what happens is that some guy from middle east gets to Sarajevo, gets a new passport and hits America without any control. It took a decade before someone finally got it in the US and stopped handing out visas to Bosnian citizens without control. Don't tell me no one in the US knew that middle eastern fundamentalists are involved in Bosnia. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Kosovo, and many other potential terrorist havens. You try to fight terrorism and then support Kosovo as an independent country, through which a large portion of drugs grown in Afghanistan is pushed into Europe and America and money made from that is used by Afghans to buy weapons. That doesn't make sense, it's absurd. Your right hand is doing the total opposite of your left hand and it's no wonder you're not getting anywhere...

So, setting up a consistent policy and cutting of funding and hurting logistics is much more effective than invading countries in which a certain terrorist leader happened to be in that particular time of the year.

**Incongruous** · 10-11-2008, 05:02

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

To quote Adrian:

Oh, cut the crap already.

If the Americans had gone after Saudi Arabia, we'd be sitting here listening to how it was all about oil and how America should've gone after Afghanistan since that is a rogue state where terrorists operate freely and that Bin Laden after all was chased out of Saudi Arabia by the Saudis themselves and the other 9-11 terrorists all got their education outside of SA etcetera.

And if the Americans had gone after both we'd be talking about Syria and Algeria and Pakistan etcetera and why the Americans didn't go after the terrorists there.

And if the Americans had gone after all of those too we'd be talking about how the Americans are warmongering imperialists and that this is what America gets 9-11's.

Can't win.

Well Louis, since when has America done anything in respect of Saudi Arabia that was not about oil? I don't need another stupid invasion to realise that one.
Afghanistan is a failure because the U.S & Co. have done almost nothing about the problem and in many cases have made it worse.

Bin-Laden and the Taliban got their know how from the U.S. So perhaps the U.S should rethink its idiotic game plan which it has been following for the past half century?

Syria and Algeria? No lets talk about the French!