Another State Legalizes gay Marriage

[Kadagar_AV]

Well, as you've seen in this thread, some people think it's a mental illness or a sick fettish. That's what we have to deal with over here.

They are not very much into science, now are they?

We have those nutjobs in Sweden and Austria too, but they are far away from any political power, as should be.

[Koga No Goshi]

They are not very much into science, now are they?

We have those nutjobs in Sweden and Austria too, but they are far away from any political power, as should be.

The lack of a conclusive answer from science that definitively proves thing one way is apparently license to fall back on prejudices and bigotry and make up any story you like. It is used that way, at any rate.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Homosexuality is a fetish, that's why some people can turn away from it completely if they actually try. And equally why originally straight people can adopt it.

[The Celtic Viking]

Homosexuality is no more a "fetish" than heterosexuality is. In other words: it is not. You're either born homosexual, or you're not. Likewise, you're either born heterosexual or you're not. There is no choice in the matter, other than to live in denial of what you are.

Anything else than completely equal rights is discrimination, and that includes the whole "same thing but different name" argument. If the same rights are given anyway, what purpose except to say "you can't have what we have" would it serve to give it a different name?

[yesdachi]

I don’t mind giving a homosexual couple legal rights of partnership, allowing them to share things like health benefits or visitation rights in hospitals, it’s the word marriage that most people freak out about. I don’t think gay is the right choice but why deny others the perks of marriage just because I think who they sleep with is icky. I have an Aunt who has been with the same lady for over 25 years, why prevent them from sharing benefits or filing as “married” on their taxes? They have been a better couple than many boy/girl couples I know.

[Kadagar_AV]

Homosexuality is a fetish, that's why some people can turn away from it completely if they actually try. And equally why originally straight people can adopt it.

Heard of bisexuality?

Anyway, it would be interesting to see the sources you have, regarding homosexuality being a fetish.

[Rhyfelwyr]

How does bisexuality disprove anything?

Anyway, I don't have any internet-based sources, but have you ever seen a documentary of what goes on in prisons? Countless guys with families, 100% straight before they were jailed, go into relationships together.

Also I remember on the BBC news once a story of a man who had been homosexual who admitted that he chose to become straight, and he did!

So obviously it is a choice. People don't usually need to choose to be straight, but if they choose to be gay out of confusion/badness/because-they-think-its-coolness then they can also choose to go back on that choice.

[Craterus]

An inclination is not a conscious choice. People don't choose to be gay or straight, they can just follow their inclinations. And to condemn people on something they have no control over is wrong.

[Viking]

So obviously it is a choice.

No, you're not even considering the opposite option. You want absoluteness; that all people are born heterosexuals and that sexuality is a field of black and white. If you had not been so blind to opposite views; you'd see stories that tell the exactly opposite.

And really; where does fetish and something that one could call "natural sexual attraction" begin? Isn't my taste for ladies pretty much a fetish? Why not? Is a male heterosexual attraction to female breasts a sick fetish since this attraction alone cannot produce children? Either way, why do you want to discriminate people because they have a fetish they do not want to give up?

[Andres]

Does it matter if being gay is a choice or not?

If two consenting adults (gay or straight) want to marry, let them marry. This seems like a non-issue to me

[Viking]

Homosexuality is a fetish, that's why some people can turn away from it completely if they actually try. And equally why originally straight people can adopt it.

I'm pretty certain the lust does not go away; they only abstain. Self-oppression is a better word. Original gay people can also adopt heterosexuality if they want to; given today's society, that is probably a much easier thing.

[Koga No Goshi]

Homosexuality is a fetish, that's why some people can turn away from it completely if they actually try. And equally why originally straight people can adopt it.

Oh dear lord. Are we going to start doing faith healings now? Because this is well into the realm of the ridiculous. Stop believing whatever your fanatical church says and go meet some actual gay people from OUTSIDE your church, and listen to their perspective before making this kind of ridiculous claim.

Someone is always demanding it is never enough, more gays here and that hole needs to be filled as well not enough gays there, if you want to be treated as an individual stop being a movement.

If you don't like the movement, stop looking the other way or telling people to stop drawing attention to themselves when they have their property seized or are beaten into the hospital for no reason. If it hadn't been for widespread collusion in the mistreatment of people just because of their private home life, we wouldn't be where we are at as societies.

[Fragony]

If you don't like the movement, stop looking the other way or telling people to stop drawing attention to themselves when they have their property seized or are beaten into the hospital for no reason. If it hadn't been for widespread collusion in the mistreatment of people just because of their private home life, we wouldn't be where we are at as societies.

que? Was it something I said?

[Rhyfelwyr]

I am afraid that the world is becoming a cesspit of iniquity.

People must choose to engage in homosexual acts, unless it was just a coincidence that all the Roman emperors except Claudius did this.

Or ancient Greece, where it was seen as alright to have little boy slaves. Plato said it was good for population control after all. I'm not comparing this to paedophiles, but they all chose to engage in homosexual acts.

And this is not just a case of having 'freedom to', the gay pride movement wishes to force its 'values' on everyone. They want children to be indoctrinated into believing that unnatural things are natural, and telling them to make choices that don't exist. They don't just want to take people out the closet, they want to take them into a different room and bar them from the normal world, telling them they are gay and always will be gay and that they have no choice in the matter.

[Koga No Goshi]

I am afraid that the world is becoming a cesspit of iniquity.

People must choose to engage in homosexual acts, unless it was just a coincidence that all the Roman emperors except Claudius did this.

Or ancient Greece, where it was seen as alright to have little boy slaves. Plato said it was good for population control after all. I'm not comparing this to paedophiles, but they all chose to engage in homosexual acts.

And this is not just a case of having 'freedom to', the gay pride movement wishes to force its 'values' on everyone. They want children to be indoctrinated into believing that unnatural things are natural, and telling them to make choices that don't exist. They don't just want to take people out the closet, they want to take them into a different room and bar them from the normal world, telling them they are gay and always will be gay and that they have no choice in the matter.

Gay people all the time engage in straight sex acts for social acceptance or self-validation. In a culture like Greece or Rome where all power was tightly and exclusively male-held, and a culture that endorsed hedonism and pursuing any form of pleasure as acceptable, it is not exactly a shocking revelation that otherwise heterosexual men would mess around for political advantage. Though, they played around with powerful or high-born women for political advantage , too. So I am not sure what distinction you believe you are making about this.

And as for the "forcing their values on you", what values would those be? Family? Life commitment? Wanting to move out of the era of back alley or closeted casual sex and into formal, stable relationships? Accepting and tolerating difference?

I don't see what about the "values" behind gay marriage, any Christian should have a problem with. By your imagined-up image of how "values are being forced on you", straight people force their values on everyone every single day.

[Viking]

People must choose to engage in homosexual acts[/I]

Yes, but that's not the same as that people choose to become homosexuals. Either way, it's their choice, not yours.