New factions?

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

Well Mithridates VI Eupator, you are right. It will be an impolite action to 'history fans' (well most of the people outside calls us history freaks :D ) to make 'numidia' faction like vanilla. Well except my apologising to using these simple generalising.

No need!
I merely wanted to clarify which Numidian factions might be considered.

About Scythians, you are right. Last great Scythian expansion was at king Ateas times(not sure may be around 330~ BC) but as I remembered they made last good fights against Romans, Pontos and Germans (goths) from 3th Century BC till they were destroyed in 3rd century AD. So they will be nice 'conflicting and struggling faction'. They also achieved to built some other states in these times..

True, I would fiund it interesting to see a Scythian faction too, struggling to regain their former glory, and drive those pesky Sauromatae from the steppes, but I think the EB-team has basically said that they won't make it, as there are other kingdoms, that were on the rise at the time, that might be in more dire need of a faction slot. And actually, this might be a good decition.

And about Odrysain...hehe ...I don't want to talk much about them till I completed my study but I can at least say this;
Odrysain kingdom established at 5th century BC... In 279 BC they were beaten by Celts but not destroyed and they successed at 'reestablising' their kingdoms and this makes them more interesting as a faction :D

Well meanwhile I am making research Odrysians I also find Tylis interesting :D ... Unfortunately they were not long lived faction :( ...Destroyed by Odrysai :D hehehe

Yes, they did reestabilsh themselves shortly after the Celtic invasion, that's what I meant. Didn't know they were as old as 5:th century, though.
I found a book in the library about the Odrysians some time ago, but didn't have time to read it thoroughly then. However, from what I gather, they were a rather warlike people, and an interesting Helleno-Thraikian mix, so though I still have my doubts, I guess they could be an Interesting faction.

Meanwhile I love Mithridates VI Eupator! i mean historical one :D ) ... He was 'Last King' hehehe! :D

Yeah, he's been my "idol" since his first guest-starring in AoE... There is something appealing in that mix of enlightened, philhellenic ruler, and despotic tyrant.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, what do you mean with "Last King"?

[Hax]

Last Pontic king, IIRC.

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

As a matter of fact, his son, Pharnakes, made a brief attempt to reestablish the Pontic kingdom, with some initial success, until he recieved a royal spanking by good ol' Julius Ceaesar, prompting him to utter the famous words "Veni, vidi, vici". But I guess that doesn't count...

[Oqlanth]

About 'Last King' I mean this:

http://www.michaelcurtisford.com/boo...#The_Last_King

For "Veni, vidi, vici" you are right, Ceaser said that after when he crushed traitorous son of Mithridates VI Eupator, Pharnaces II (he betrayed his father ) at countryside of Tokat' town Zile -Modern Turkey's city- (hehehe...If you some how can visit there you may understand what made Ceaser to say that :D )

And about Odrysai, there are great works on them especially by Bulgarian Thracologists... Unfortunately most of them are Bulgarian if you are interested take a look at them.

[paullus]

The Odrysai were not nearly significant enough in our time period to be worth including in-game. They were almost certainly subjugated to the Celts at Tylis in 272, and remained so until about 212, when they benefited most from the overthrow of Tylis. Only after 212 do we really find them engaging in much activity. So they're not good faction material. Tylis would be a better consideration, and the Scordisci or Galatian tribes would be a better faction than Tylis.

[Oqlanth]

As I said before I do not speak much about Odrysai till I finish my study but you are not right about their 'inactivity' between 272(Well truely they were crushed at 279) - 212 BE. For just little two examples:
If they were inactive how they manage to achive to rebuilt their kingdom.
if they were inactive how they fight for or against Seleucid Empire and Ptolemic Empire (i.e Siege of Thracian city Kypsela -nowaday İpsala at European penninsula of modern Turkey- against Seleucid Empire nowaday İpsala at European penninsula of modern Turkey)

Well my last opinion about Odrysai till this damm work (I can only make search brief time of a day) complete;
With Pleuratus Dynasty of Illyria Odrysains will be a good struggling factions in South Eastern Europe from 3rd century BC to 1 century BC and also will be good additions as seperate factions to EB II.

[Oqlanth]

Yes, they did reestabilsh themselves shortly after the Celtic invasion, that's what I meant. Didn't know they were as old as 5:th century, though.
I found a book in the library about the Odrysians some time ago, but didn't have time to read it thoroughly then. However, from what I gather, they were a rather warlike people, and an interesting Helleno-Thraikian mix, so though I still have my doubts, I guess they could be an Interesting faction.

Meanwhile I forgot to ask...what is the name of the book and who is it's author?

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

It was actually about thraikians in general, not only odrysians, but there seemed to be quite a lot of info in it. Though I', afraid I don't remember who wrote it, or its name. I think it was just called "Thrace" or "The Thracians", or something like that. I think its cover was red, if that can be any help. I can check it out some time when I go to the that library.
Sorry that I can't be of any more help...

[Oqlanth]

Ok...Thanks anyway :D

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

I checked out the library website today, and in a twist of irony, though I couldn't find the book I read first, I stumbled upon one called "The Odrysian Kingdom of Thrace", by one Z. H. Archibald. Don't know if it's any good, though.
Anyway, good luck with your research

[Oqlanth]

Thank you Bassileus Mithridates VI Eupator :D
I am going to check that book.

And thanks again ;)

Cihan

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

Glad I could help!