Is teaching your child about your religion mental abuse?

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ok...I´ll try this another way..

do you agree that animals like dogs and tigers have instincts?

if so how do you explain the fact that these animals can be trained to change those behaviors?

When I see a hot young brunette walking down the street I want to have sex with her...that´s instinctive.....society whoever has "trained" us to know it is not correct to simply follow that instinct.......it´s the same thing as the tiger that learned to jump through hoops at the circus instead of ripping the trainers head off.

Of course almost all animals have instincts. That doesn't mean however, that *all* of their behavior is instinctive and thus not subject to change. What instincts they *do* have however, are not subject to change. If you want to talk pure instinct, take a really primitive animal like a worker ant.

[Ronin]

Of course almost all animals have instincts. That doesn't mean however, that *all* of their behavior is instinctive and thus not subject to change. What instincts they *do* have however, are not subject to change. If you want to talk pure instinct, take a really primitive animal like a worker ant.

ok...then for example how do you explain the fact that human babies know to hold their breath when underwater?....any parent who has taken their child to a babies swimming class knows this happens....if it is not instinctive behavior what is it?

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ok...then for example how do you explain the fact that human babies know to hold their breath when underwater?....any parent who has taken their child to a babies swimming class knows this happens....if it is not instinctive behavior what is it?

Disclaimer: What I'm about to say is merely a layman's speculation.

I would suspect that it's learned behavior. The child spends plenty of time submerged in a liquid while in utero, and during its last 3-4 weeks inside, the baby is most definitely alert and capable of learning. Just like they learn to suckle while they are still in utero.

[Ronin]

Disclaimer: What I'm about to say is merely a layman's speculation.

I would suspect that it's learned behavior. The child spends plenty of time submerged in a liquid while in utero, and during its last 3-4 weeks inside, the baby is most definitely alert and capable of learning. Just like they learn to suckle while they are still in utero.

when in utero the fetus does not breath so it has really no way to learn how to hold it´s breath....in fact when a child is born it happens sometimes that they have fluid in their air passages, so that proves they aren´t holding their breath.

also I have found links that indicate that fetus start to suck their thumbs around the 17 weeks mark....far before the last 3-4 weeks of gestations

these behaviors are instinctive.....no matter how much you want to deny that fact for whatever strange reason I can´t even begin to guess.

I´m done with this discussion.....I´ll probably not gonna change your opinion but you hang on to that and I´ll hang on to facts.