No better than them

[LittleGrizzly]

I think we can agree there Grizzly and since you said it could happen to anyone...

Link

I hadn't heard of that one, the one i was specifically thinking of was the brown eyes one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott

You could have put any nationality of people, american's, brits, palestinians, eskimos, aslong as you put them in the germans position and events unfold in the same way and anyone would be in that situation, which is why i do not judge too harshly as i could easily have been a soldier back in nazi germany and no matter how rational and logical i like to think i am, its alot harder to be sure of yourself when everyone else thinks differently....

All this is making me think so much of the palestinian situation, i have asked this a few times, people who feel that germany was put in a bad place and then through hitler and the nazis did some terrible things... partially because of the situation it was put in, do you give palestinians the same credit ? are they different because of thier religion of thier method of warfare ? PJ and Frag im talking to you mainly here...

[Fragony]

I hadn't heard of that one, the one i was specifically thinking of was the brown eyes one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott

You could have put any nationality of people, american's, brits, palestinians, eskimos, aslong as you put them in the germans position and events unfold in the same way and anyone would be in that situation, which is why i do not judge too harshly as i could easily have been a soldier back in nazi germany and no matter how rational and logical i like to think i am, its alot harder to be sure of yourself when everyone else thinks differently....

All this is making me think so much of the palestinian situation, i have asked this a few times, people who feel that germany was put in a bad place and then through hitler and the nazis did some terrible things... partially because of the situation it was put in, do you give palestinians the same credit ? are they different because of thier religion of thier method of warfare ? PJ and Frag im talking to you mainly here...

Depends on how you look at WW2, the military aspect and the nazi-crimes should be seen as seperate events that happened more or less at the same time, WW2 didn't need a Hitler and the holocaust didn't need a WW2.

As for palestinians, how is that a valid argument, unlike Germany it wasn't Israel that went to war.

[LittleGrizzly]

Depends on how you look at WW2, the military aspect and the nazi-crimes should be seen as seperate events that happened more or less at the same time, WW2 didn't need a Hitler and the holocaust didn't need a WW2.

What i was referring to is the german people were put in an extreme and unfair situation, what arose from this was one of the worst regimes of modern times, i think you agree with me when i say that germany turned to the nazis because of thier extreme situation but that doesn't excuse thier crimes, you agree with me on this ?

As for palestinians, how is that a valid argument, unlike Germany it wasn't Israel that went to war.

I am not on about who started what war or who stole who's land, i am simply saying that the palestinians are currently in an extreme situation, so they started thier suicide bombing and the like because of this situation... but that doesn't excuse thier crimes...

So we have a german population and a palestinian population who both commited heinous crimes because of thier situation, this doesn't excuse either of thier crimes, but this also means that they didn't commit these crimes because they were german/christian palestinian/muslim

they are both victims of circumstance that chose a bad route in anger, so nothing to do with thier religion...

do you agree ?

[Fragony]

What i was referring to is the german people were put in an extreme and unfair situation, what arose from this was one of the worst regimes of modern times, i think you agree with me when i say that germany turned to the nazis because of thier extreme situation but that doesn't excuse thier crimes, you agree with me on this ?


To be honest I don't understand what really happened there, no idea how such a thing as the holocaust could happen.

They are both victims of circumstance that chose a bad route in anger, so nothing to do with thier religion...

do you agree ?


No I don't agree religion is a major factor in this conflict at both sides, even if it is just the tool to mobilise the masses never forget that it actually does just that, and that Palestine itself is a tool in the ideological battleground.

[Koga No Goshi]

To be honest I don't understand what really happened there, no idea how such a thing as the holocaust could happen.

If you view WWII and the rise of Nazi ideology and Hitler as all separate events which shouldn't be lumped together, then of course how the holocaust happened is a total mystery.

They were all connected. Only a somewhat, IMHO, misguided attempt to vindicate a perception of "judgment against all Germans" by separating out the various parts of what Germany did in WWII and saying they weren't related makes the story fall apart and not make sense.