The Prometheus: Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

**Csargo** · 11-02-2008, 23:58

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

No, I'm not. But it's obviously a silly vote. So I have to assume you're being silly now. As always.

Play as you like, I'm just saying it's not useful to town when you do that.

So, you're saying how I'm playing isn't useful? I assume you have some way of backing up that.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 11-03-2008, 00:01

Originally Posted by Ichigo

So, you're saying how I'm playing isn't useful? I assume you have some way of backing up that.

Well, voting for someone who doesn't exist, or "that guy over there"... it's not a real vote. So it's non-contributory to town's winning. It also creates a distraction. For example, I'm now discussing this thing with you instead of focusing on other things that matter. I hate to be the example, but it's an example.

I would assume it's self-evident why it's both not helpful and also potentially harmful. I don't feel the need to continue explaining, my friend. With all due respect of course.

**Reenk Roink** · 11-03-2008, 00:06

It seems Askthepizzaguy is the new Sasaki, a politer one though...

**Askthepizzaguy** · 11-03-2008, 00:08

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

It seems Askthepizzaguy is the new Sasaki, a politer one though...

Thanks, Reenk. *sarcasm

I assume a vote: Sasaki is coming next?

**Csargo** · 11-03-2008, 00:13

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Well, voting for someone who doesn't exist, or "that guy over there"... it's not a real vote. So it's non-contributory to town's winning. It also creates a distraction. For example, I'm now discussing this thing with you instead of focusing on other things that matter. I hate to be the example, but it's an example.

I would assume it's self-evident why it's both not helpful and also potentially harmful. I don't feel the need to continue explaining, my friend. With all due respect of course.

So? How likely is it that we are going to lynch a member of the mafia this round? My vote is basically the equivalent to abstaining. Discussion is always good no matter what it is about. What do you mean? No kills, no way to discern whether or not the mafia is inactive or just playing games. There's not much else to talk about.

I'm here participating so I don't see how it's not helpful or how it could come to harm the town.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 11-03-2008, 00:24

Originally Posted by Ichigo

So? How likely is it that we are going to lynch a member of the mafia this round? My vote is basically the equivalent to abstaining. Discussion is always good no matter what it is about. What do you mean? No kills, no way to discern whether or not the mafia is inactive or just playing games. There's not much else to talk about.

I'm here participating so I don't see how it's not helpful or how it could come to harm the town.

Well suspect behavior in any round is something we need to look for. I'm not one of those who says that well, round one is useless, so let's not bother playing seriously.

First of all, you're playing while invisible. Maybe that's normal, typical behavior for you, but frankly it tells me that you don't want us to know what you're doing. You're posting something silly and distracting, and now engaging in this debate with me, rather than working with me to find the mafioso.

Maybe you got a pm or something telling you to behave this way, but according to previous games, this is all typical behavior for you. So I have to assume you're just being yourself. My point is, as Askthepizzaguy observing Ichigo's behavior, you're acting unhelpful and suspiciously. Why would you do that, in any round?

Round one may usually be a wash for town, but it becomes even harder for town to gain any play whatsoever when certain townies are being uncooperative. Are you town, or are you mafia?

I assume you're still town, but you're not playing a very good town. Which means, given the option, maybe we should keep you alive, because you're a townie and we want to lynch a mafia. But still, if we run out of options in later rounds, your play here leaves you to be a relatively safe bet for a lynch. If we don't get a mafia, we at least get a bad townie.

I know you disagree, but it doesn't matter. Posting silly or confusing, and generally unhelpful things does in fact make you a bad townie. If I'm wrong on this, feel free to correct me. If anyone else disagrees, please say so.

I'm not saying we must therefore lynch you now, because I still suspect you're just being yourself and that doesn't make you mafia or town. But the style isn't very good for town. For now, I will keep my vote on you because I think you're being less helpful. Later on, if I see other more definitively bad play, I will probably change my vote.

I'm probably over-analyzing things, but I still say it's bad play.

**pevergreen** · 11-03-2008, 01:34

Man...My head hurts. The noises kept me awake all night.

Unvote: Shlin28, Vote: PIZZA
Stop talking so much man, it hurts.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 11-03-2008, 01:36

I won't stop talking, buddy.

If you want, I'll hide my thoughts in spoilers, but I refuse to just lay down anytime someone tells me to do something.

**Csargo** · 11-03-2008, 08:11

First of all, you're playing while invisible. Maybe that's normal, typical behavior for you, but frankly it tells me that you don't want us to know what you're doing. You're posting something silly and distracting, and now engaging in this debate with me, rather than working with me to find the mafioso.

I've been invisible for months now, and I'm not going to change it just so you can stalk me. You're the only one distracted by it, nobody else seems to care about my 1-2 joking posts. How do I know you aren't a mafioso? I guess we should all join hands and merrily skip to our deaths?

Maybe you got a pm or something telling you to behave this way, but according to previous games, this is all typical behavior for you. So I have to assume you're just being yourself. My point is, as Askthepizzaguy observing Ichigo's behavior, you're acting unhelpful and suspiciously. Why would you do that, in any round?

Alright... I would do it because it works for me and is fun.

Round one may usually be a wash for town, but it becomes even harder for town to gain any play whatsoever when certain townies are being uncooperative. Are you town, or are you mafia?

How am I being uncooperative? Umm, question is kinda pointless.

I assume you're still town, but you're not playing a very good town. Which means, given the option, maybe we should keep you alive, because you're a townie and we want to lynch a mafia. But still, if we run out of options in later rounds, your play here leaves you to be a relatively safe bet for a lynch. If we don't get a mafia, we at least get a bad townie.

If you think I'm a townie why are you voting me? I'm no worse a townie then you. I'm here and participating, which is more then can be said for many others. Just because I like to have a little fun doesn't automatically make me a bad townie or that the way I play is bad for the town.

I'm not saying we must therefore lynch you now, because I still suspect you're just being yourself and that doesn't make you mafia or town. But the style isn't very good for town. For now, I will keep my vote on you because I think you're being less helpful. Later on, if I see other more definitively bad play, I will probably change my vote.

I think my style is very good for the town.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 11-03-2008, 08:20

Originally Posted by Ichigo

I've been invisible for months now, and I'm not going to change it just so you can stalk me. You're the only one distracted by it, nobody else seems to care. How do I know you aren't a mafioso?

Very few others have posted. We still have a long way to go.

I'm pointing out that you are both invisible and posting silly messages. Neither of these helps town, and one of them is intentionally distracting.

Alright... I would do it because it works for me and is fun.

Not much of an argument there, so I'll conclude that you've conceded that the strategy doesn't make sense.

If you think I'm a townie why are you voting me? I'm no worse a townie then you. I'm here and participating, which is more then can be said for many others. Just because I like to have a little fun doesn't automatically make me a bad townie or that the way I play is bad for the town.

I don't know if you're a townie or not. The point is, I'm at least attempting to root out the mafioso, which helps town, and doesn't throw in the towel. You said that it doesn't matter who we vote for, and you're not even trying.

What makes you think surrendering and conceding the first day to the mafioso is a good idea?

I think my style is very good for the town.

I disagree. I think attempting to do something, anything, besides the bare minimum (random voting) is much better than "vote:That guy over there."

That's not even a random vote, but if I consider it an abstain, your debating me on the merits of playing nonsensically have their downfalls as well. Much of the conversation here has been about that, and I say it's counterproductive.

I'm simply asking town to decide here whether they prefer an interrogative and rational strategy, or non-votes and non-posts. Since we obviously disagree, they can make the judgment call.

EDIT: On further reflection, I think you're trying to get me to debate endlessly intentionally. What are your motives?

**pevergreen** · 11-03-2008, 09:00

I think Pizza. Mate. You just dont know this Ichigo guy. He's completely normal, you are reading into it too much. Like a guy who paints a picture and then you come up and say that it means about his soul and crap like that. Leave him be.

**Peasant Phill** · 11-03-2008, 09:13

Janitors log, stardate somewhere between January the 32th and Uranus:

Dear log,
Being Janitor on this vessel is even worse than the time I was set to work on the party space shuttle. At least there they had the decency to let me do my job. Here it's all, Phill come here, Phill go there and Phill we'll put you in sustained sleep for a while,...
And just now, when I finaly wanted to take care of that leaking toilet on deck 12, I had to join a meeting. Not that I was listening very well but apparently we need to vote on something. I don't know and I don't care so I voted abstain.

Over and out.

OOC: I didn't have time for this game this weekend with all saints day and the renovation of my home.