Islamic group to build mosque adjacent to ground zero

[Lemur]

Saying that they do charity work certainly suggests a relativist mindset, but is much different than ‘refusing to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group’.

I don't understand how something that is factual can be "relativist." Hamas builds and runs hospitals and clinics; nobody contests this. They also blow innocent civilians up. The one does not invalidate the other.

Obviously, as Americans we see Hamas first and foremost as a terrorist organization, but the truth on the ground is a little more complicated. Likewise the Muslim Brotherhood, which has been several different things since 1928.

[PanzerJaeger]

I don't understand how something that is factual can be "relativist." Hamas builds and runs hospitals and clinics; nobody contests this. They also blow innocent civilians up. The one does not invalidate the other.

Obviously, as Americans we see Hamas first and foremost as a terrorist organization, but the truth on the ground is a little more complicated. Likewise the Muslim Brotherhood, which has been several different things since 1928.

It depends on the context, which is why I am withholding judgment until I have some time to actually research the whole statement.

For example, if I was asked to describe Stalin's reign in Russia and I focused on his introduction of free health care to the Russia people and a developed transportation system while 'refusing to acknowledge the bad', that might indicate certain bias.

However, if I mentioned those good things in a more balanced statement that also included the bad stuff, it would be factual.

The context is what matters.

Tell me Fragony, and Panzerjaeger, do you guys consider Muslims to be inferior to "Real Americans/Dutchies/Belgians"? Can a Muslim ever become a Real American in your opinion? Or are Muslims doomed to be forever less than "real Americans"?

I've discussed my feelings about muslims many times on this board, and I have the warning points to show for it.

Think of me as Winston sitting at the cafe at the end of 1984, capitulated and converted. I've no interest in heading back to The Ministry of Love.

[Fragony]

Awwwwwwwww read the link I posted, it's much worse than just excusing Hamas, he excuses 9/11. You really had it coming. Why? Because you are the dominant power, an obvious humiliation of muslims that's so cruel. Your muslim brotherhood affiliated bridgebuilder also wants shariah in the US, that there is only one god and his name is Allah stuff. Leftist people know that that is respect. Or they really don't know it isn't, but they will ignore it anyway BAD WORLDVIEW NEINNEINNEIN. The leftist mind is still a puzzle to me.