New factions?

[Cyclops]

Ah the excellent but difficult to find monograph: 'A comprehenisve overview of theoretical history and social structures of the East germans and their historical accurate representations in game mechanics' by Prof. Sharon Aedi.

Was that vol 2 in the series "FAQ TL/DR"? IIRC Vol 1 "Its All Greek To Me: Condensing East and West Greek Cultures to Allow for a Mauryan Slot" was great and Vol 3 is out next month (tentatively titled "Spam Wins: the Return of LS").

[anubis88]

Ah the excellent but difficult to find monograph: 'A comprehenisve overview of theoretical history and social structures of the East germans and their historical accurate representations in game mechanics' by Prof. Sharon Aedi.

haha... epic

[seienchin]

Ah the excellent but difficult to find monograph: 'A comprehenisve overview of theoretical history and social structures of the East germans and their historical accurate representations in game mechanics' by Prof. Sharon Aedi.

Sounds like an interesting book...

[paullus]

Quite! With Aedi's invaluable help, producing an accurate and interesting Bastarnae faction isn't all the difficult. Otherwise, we would have faced considerable encumbrances: ethnography, socio-political structure, geographic placement and mobility, and military organization. But thanks to Aedi those foundational questions have been answered in an accessible, well-illustrated manuscript from Phoenix University Press.

[Nerva]

I've just finished doing a proposal for scordisci if any one wants to take a look is here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=376188
Nerva

[Chelovyek]

Hullo! New here. I like the idea above!

I was wondering if the Bosporan Kingdom would be a good idea for the Crimea, which was a bit of an empty area in EB. It's an Hellenic culture that (after a quick browse on the internet) was around at 272 BC, and was still going strong for a long time after, becoming involved with Pontus and the Romans later on. Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I'm not going to trawl through all 49 pages to see.

[Hax]

I was wondering if the Bosporan Kingdom would be a good idea for the Crimea, which was a bit of an empty area in EB. It's an Hellenic culture that (after a quick browse on the internet) was around at 272 BC, and was still going strong for a long time after, becoming involved with Pontus and the Romans later on. Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I'm not going to trawl through all 49 pages to see.

The Bosporan Kingdom was already confirmed.

[Morte66]

The Occultus faction symbol is nagging at me. I think it's some sort of Ox/Bison/similar, and it's got a hump. AFAIK classical bovines don't have humps; I think they were bred in later for convenient attachment of harness.

If it's actually a realistic depiction, the only suitable critter I can think of is a Yak. I guess that could put it on the eastern edge of the map in the Tarim Basin, between Bactria and the Saka. That's the region Xiyu with the town Sulek, and the faction would be the Tuhara/Tocharians. But it's hard to imagine them being a faction -- they don't seem to have amounted to anything before the Yuezhi rolled over them, and AFAICT the historical record of them is thin.

So that leaves me looking for imaginary or unfamiliar humped bovines.

I suppose there's a bull thing associated with Crete, but all the pottery and so on I've seen had no humps. But I think Crete's main contribution in this timeframe was being conquered.

Bulls are of course big in Spain, and a bull would make a fine faction symbol for a faction around there. ISTM some sort of Iberian/Celtiberian faction is likely for EB2 -- they were powerful, historically quite significant, and they'd fill a glaring hole in the map. But I'm having trouble linking them to that picture. Maybe there's some humped bull from art or legend that would fit the bill? Does anyone have any ideas?

Or maybe my eyes (and contrast manipulation in Photoshop) are deceiving me and it's something else altogether.

[Brennus]

"Does anyone have any ideas?" Well...... https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...bly-worked-out

With regards to many suggestions for a new faction (I know it's been said many a time and probably won't happen but still) UP THE BELGAE!

[Chelovyek]

The Bosporan Kingdom was already confirmed.

Oh, yay! Whoops. Ha, well, I did say I hadn't looked through everything. I look foward to playing them!

[Mediolanicus]

Oh, yay! Whoops. Ha, well, I did say I hadn't looked through everything. I look foward to playing them!

It's in the FAQ and in the previews (all the information is there).

[Morte66]

UP THE BELGAE!

I remember a scene from a book I read as a teenager, about 30 years ago. It featured two youths, one a Roman and one a Celt, who got in a street fight and yelled "Up Caractacus! Up the Belgae!" or something like that. I have no idea what the book was anymore, maybe Rosemary Sutcliffe or Mary Renault, but the scene sticks with me.

Now I'm trying to remember the book. It's almost as annoying as trying to decode the occultus symbol.

Damn you, Brennus.

[Brennus]

I remember a scene from a book I read as a teenager, about 30 years ago. It featured two youths, one a Roman and one a Celt, who got in a street fight and yelled "Up Caractacus! Up the Belgae!" or something like that. I have no idea what the book was anymore, maybe Rosemary Sutcliffe or Mary Renault, but the scene sticks with me.

Now I'm trying to remember the book. It's almost as annoying as trying to decode the occultus symbol.

Damn you, Brennus.

lol. If I may be irritating and possibly boring Caractacus unlikely to have been Belgic (sorry to spoil your treasured memories).

[Genava]

The Occultus faction symbol is nagging at me. I think it's some sort of Ox/Bison/similar, and it's got a hump. AFAIK classical bovines don't have humps; I think they were bred in later for convenient attachment of harness.

Meroitic/Nubian Kingdom? It's seems to me like a dromedary...

[Lvcretivs]

Meroitic/Nubian Kingdom? It's seems to me like a dromedary...

IIRC already negated by the EB Team - the hard-coded culture limit (7) effectively prevents inclusion of an Meroitic/Nubian faction, which can't really be adequately represented without an 8th 'meroitic' culture slot (Character portraits, strat map models,...). Furthermore there were apparently issues concerning the very limited unit roster...

[Moros]

Meroitic/Nubian Kingdom? It's seems to me like a dromedary...

It's not a dromedary. Nor were they used in warfare or much common in these regions...

[Kikaz]

It's not a dromedary. Nor were they used in warfare or much common in these regions...

I think I see a camel in your sig

[bobbin]

Its not a camel.

[Genava]

Then, it's a cow or a horse I think...
Like that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AppolodotusCoin.JPG
Maybe a Indo-Scythian or a Indo-Greek kingdom (not Bactria)... but I don't think because of the limit map, these factions would need of India.
I stay in the area of Ethiopia and Arabia, maybe with a neighbour of Saba Kingdom. It's maybe a humped cow, existing in Africa too.
http://www.fao.org/wairdocs/ilri/x5442e/x5442e04.gif

Edit: Maybe the Arab Kingdom around Gerrha. It's hard to say (for me) if they are a culture similar with the Saba.
http://nabataea.net/hagar.html

[anubis88]

I think it's a faction symbol of some kind

[athanaric]

I remember a scene from a book I read as a teenager, about 30 years ago. It featured two youths, one a Roman and one a Celt, who got in a street fight and yelled "Up Caractacus! Up the Belgae!" or something like that. I have no idea what the book was anymore, maybe Rosemary Sutcliffe or Mary Renault, but the scene sticks with me.

Now I'm trying to remember the book. It's almost as annoying as trying to decode the occultus symbol.

I don't remember a scene like this from a Sutcliff book. Then again, it's been ten years since I read them...

[Moros]

Edit: Maybe the Arab Kingdom around Gerrha. It's hard to say (for me) if they are a culture similar with the Saba.
http://nabataea.net/hagar.html

We don't even know where Gerrha was...

[Genava]

We don't even know where Gerrha was...

Ah, okay. Then, the hidden faction is a yemenite kingdom (like Saba)?
Minaeans, Qatabanians or Hadramites...

I think it's a good possibility, the Sabaean culture slot is for only one faction, why is not there a second faction?

[Kikaz]

That could totally be a camel

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[Brennus]

That could totally be a camel

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LOL! I must admit I am still not convinced but that was a wonderful way to argue your point. Bravo!

[Rahl]

I think it's a good possibility, the Sabaean culture slot is for only one faction, why is not there a second faction?

The Saba use the semitic-culture-slot like the Qarthadastim.
Maybe I'm wrong but didn't a EB-member wrote that there won't be another arabian faction?

[Genava]

That could totally be a camel

Bobbin said NO!

The Saba use the semitic-culture-slot like the Qarthadastim.

Yes, you're right. It's seems strange, the classification is based on the language class?

Edit: I know the Phoenician are a semitic people, but I thought they are different in the EB-Timeframe with the Sabaeans.

[paullus]

You have to make a few allowances to get all the culture slots figured out.

Kikaz, that's hilarious btw. Nice tracing.

[Ibrahim]

That could totally be a camel

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you best not pursue a science major

[anubis88]

That could totally be a camel

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It looks so... REAL! :D