Trying a new faction... 0_o

**Cute Wolf** · 08-22-2010, 18:10

let's see... Epeiros = Renegade Phyrros who like to kick everyone's ass and everyone want to kick his ass as well, historically, you should playin at VH/M

**Basileus_ton_Basileon** · 08-22-2010, 19:09

coincidentally, I have a Eperios campaign ongoing. My armies do not consist of any pike phalanxes at all.

**Megas Methuselah** · 08-22-2010, 19:13

I'd suggest migrating to the Bosporus or Kyrene or something. With a modded Epeiros, I migrated to Massalia and have been playing the same campaign for about 4 or 5 months now.

**Duguntz** · 08-22-2010, 19:53

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

I'd suggest migrating to the Bosporus or Kyrene or something. With a modded Epeiros, I migrated to Massalia and have been playing the same campaign for about 4 or 5 months now.

That seems an interesting idea! One problem though, i've no modding experiance nor ability whatsoever!

@Basileus Ton Basileon : what are the composition of your armies, basicly?

**NoHelmet** · 08-22-2010, 21:13

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

let's see... Epeiros = Renegade Phyrros who like to kick everyone's ass and everyone want to kick his ass as well, historically, you should playin at VH/M

Damn, you can play on VH/H without serious problems, you have the Motherload of mines at your disposal, i think that balkans are the greatest cash machine in the game (trade in greece, mines to the north). And you can train army to suit any enemy on your homeland. And as you said, Pyrrhos just kicks ass.

**Cute Wolf** · 08-22-2010, 21:21

Originally Posted by NoHelmet

Damn, you can play on VH/H without serious problems, you have the Motherload of mines at your disposal, i think that balkans are the greatest cash machine in the game (trade in greece, mines to the north). And you can train army to suit any enemy on your homeland. And as you said, Pyrrhos just kicks ass.

H = AI units got +4 attack +4 defense, and some morale bonus.... you'll fought against hoplitai haploi that could pwn thureophroi then....

**NoHelmet** · 08-22-2010, 21:42

well, i never said i would give my phalanxes away, did i? ;) On VH/M my deuteroi hold against pedites extraordinarii, and on VH/H only a bit shorter... As always, properly deployed, with overwhelming cavalry superiority. And you have elephants, the ultimate routers. I played with Epeiros on VH/H for quite a while, but the exams made me pause, and in the meantime i discovered the wonders of pahlava. Now, i will go back to the good old Pyrrhos. And i use the tactics of family picnics on the battlefield, works like a charm combined with the elephants and phalangitai.

**Duguntz** · 08-22-2010, 22:03

Yeah, with phalangitai, VH\H is very achievable, but as I don't intend to use phalanxes, and i'm surrounded by Maks, KH and Rome, I'll go for VH\M

**NoHelmet** · 08-22-2010, 22:26

Well, you're right. Try this: ram your elephants directly into THROUGH the enemy's line. Then ram the horde of your light/medium infantry (e.g. illyrian paraliktoi, cheap, AP, quick) and then descend with that beatiful Epeirote cavalry from the flanks and the back. In the meantime, bring the elephants back and they should rout, one by one. It actually worked pretty good couple of times. But those triarii can be so annoying. Meh, AP spam. It might be ugly without beast of a general, though.

**Duguntz** · 08-23-2010, 08:11

True that the Gen makes the difference between a night with the wifes of our ennemies and a day trying to look for our lost arm on tha battlefield... But until Phirros dies, i've a kick-ass gen in my hands! though I've a pretty nasty habit. as i play mostly with sweboz, I used to send my gen first in the first line to combat, for roleplay reason. and I see myselfdoing the same here... wich is pretty bad when your general is a cavalry!

**athanaric** · 08-23-2010, 12:03

Originally Posted by Duguntz

Yeah, with phalangitai, VH\H is very achievable, but as I don't intend to use phalanxes, and i'm surrounded by Maks, KH and Rome, I'll go for VH\M

Epeiros can manage very well without phalanxes. Even the Illyrian units alone (Phyletichoi, Paraktioi, Thureophoroi, Hippeis) constitute a basic roster that can make for a war-winning army. Paraktioi with their clubs and basic armour are good against Romans, but suck against Barbarians (I've had to fight Makedonia as Swêboz... they liked to spam Paraktioi, who are useless against unarmoured Dugundiz).

You should have one or two units of Chaonion Agema though. They're just too good to miss.
And those Epeirote bodyguards are absolutely nasty buggers. Try fighting them as Rome and you'll see why.

**Jebivjetar** · 08-23-2010, 14:26

And do not forget: in settlements like Tylis, Kallatis, Singidunim, Naissos, (sp?) you can train some really cool units if you build lvl4 gov (Thracian elite infantry and peltasts, Boi swordsmen, Scordisci elite infantry, Triballi infantry, Galatian heavy spearmen) !