The Dutch Elections 2010

[Fragony]

Got you there! Laws are not required to be tested to the constitution.

Nope you don't, freedom of religion is a constitutional right, constitutional rights can't just be changed. Politicians can make laws as long as they don't conflict with the constitution, that's the framework they have to work within. You have been played, sorry for also doing it and being better at it.

[Skullheadhq]

Nope you don't, freedom of religion is a constitutional right, constitutional rights can't just be changed. Politicians can make laws as long as they don't conflict with the constitution, that's the framework they have to work within. You have been played, sorry for also doing it and being better at it.

Outlawing a book isn't the same as outlawing a religion.

[Fragony]

Outlawing a book isn't the same as outlawing a religion.

Mia muca it was never about that, it is and always will be the mullcultural left. You shouldn't be so quik to underestimate people, pretty stupid thing to do

[Skullheadhq]

Mia muca it was never about that, it is and always will be the mullcultural left. You shouldn't be so quik to underestimate people, pretty stupid thing to do

Huh? It was never about that, it is and always will be the multicultural left (multicultural left wants to outlaw Qur'an?) You shouldn't be so quik (sic) to underestimate people (the multicultural left will succeed in outlawing the Qur'an?), pretty stupid thing to do

This makes no sense!

[Fragony]

Huh? It was never about that, it is and always will be the multicultural left (multicultural left wants to outlaw Qur'an?) You shouldn't be so quik (sic) to underestimate people (the multicultural left will succeed in outlawing the Qur'an?), pretty stupid thing to do

This makes no sense!

Yes it does, No more policy of funded leftist activism will have to do for now, a complete change of attitude on government spendings is going to take longer 10 years or so, when the babyboomers are gone

[Tellos Athenaios]

Got you there I guess, it's not possible it would need a change of the consitution and that takes 2 parlements, 50% aproval is needed at first, and 70% of the next parlement before it can even be even legal.

Plus it wouldn't pass first chamber anyway.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Yes it does, No more policy of funded leftist activism will have to do for now, a complete change of attitude on government spendings is going to take longer 10 years or so, when the babyboomers are gone

And no more speculation on property would be a good thing to. Just take that D66 approach and cut those tax breaks (hypotheekrente aftrek) for property owners already. Quarter of the cuts needed, right there; for something that is essentially a highly poisonous apple anyway.

[Skullheadhq]

And no more speculation on property would be a good thing to. Just take that D66 approach and cut those tax breaks (hypotheekrente aftrek) for property owners already.

That would kill the already feeble house market.

[Fragony]

And no more speculation on property would be a good thing to. Just take that D66 approach and cut those tax breaks (hypotheekrente aftrek) for property owners already. Quarter of the cuts needed, right there; for something that is essentially a highly poisonous apple anyway.

Not that it applies for me but the rich are taxed so much that I can call it nothing else than theft-reduction. I apreciate D66 as a local party as it should naturally be, but what's up with the vuvuzuela's in the parlement. There are other ways to give the housing market some air and that is simply cutting state handouts to useless people who run useless foundations and commisions. It are billions of euro's that are freed, it's only hurting the parasites.

Not even to mention a deadlock on immigration, these 20 billion, we got it, takes 3 years not spending it.

[Hax]

In all fairness, the Muslim response to Wilders' letter posted on the last page:

Geert Wilders is becoming a European icon of intolerance, as a peace activist and a pluralist Muslim; I have an interest in understanding the man. What turned him away from becoming a peace maker?

I read every word of his interview without being judgmental and pondering over his quotes from Quraan and his experience with Muslims. He tends to equate the culture with religion, a common fallacy, and most certainly he has read the Hilali Translation of Quraan, which is loaded with hate for Jews, Christians and others from the very fist chapter.

Having an open mind to listen to criticism of Islam from the right wingers like Wilders, gives me the insights to find their motivations and source for such hatred towards Islam. Invariably the source of their fear and hate comes from the mistranslations of Quraan.

His 14 minutes film "Fitna" was based on 14 verses from Quraan - each one of them came from either Hilali or some Neocons who cooked it up. I have written to him, and his response was he did not care about the facts. Here was that article, written two years ago.

Wilders writes, “Girls are not valued highly in Islam; the Koran says that the birth of a daughter makes a father’s “face darken and he is filled with gloom” (Sura 43:15). Nevertheless, the incident at the Mecca school drew angry reactions. Islam is inhumane; but Muslims are humans, hence capable of Love – that powerful force which Muhammad despised.”

In Summary, when a female child was born in the pre-Islamic era, it was considered a liability and men frowned (even today it is practiced in parts of China and India) and killed the baby girls. Prophet Muhammad banned the practice and considered daughter as blessings from God. Mr. Wilders did not read the Quraan, if he had gone to 43:17, he must have passed thru 43:14 and all the way up to 43:19. Had he read it he would not have said this. He knows it is wrong as was the case in the past, but he is duping the nincompoop Neocons out there.

43:15 (Asad) AND YET, [12] they attribute to Him offspring from among some of the beings created by Him! [13] Verily, most obviously bereft of all gratitude is man!

[12] I.e., despite the fact that most people readily admit that God has created all that exists (verse 9 above), some of them tend to forget His uniqueness [13] a more general meaning, namely, "they attribute a part of His divinity to some of the beings created by Him". However, in view of the sequence, which clearly refers to the blasphemous attribution of "offspring" to God, my rendering seems to be preferable.


43:16 (Asad) Or [do you think], perchance, that out of all His creation He has chosen for Himself daughters, and favored you with sons? [14] –

[14] It should be remembered that the people thus addressed were the pagan Arabs, who believed that some of their goddesses, as well as the angels, were "God’s daughters". In view of the fact that those pre-Islamic Arabs regarded daughters as a mere liability and their birth as a disgrace, this verse is obviously ironical.

43:17 (Asad) For [thus it is:] if any of them is given the glad tiding of [the birth of] what he so readily attributes to the Most Gracious, [15] his face darkens, and he is filled with suppressed anger.

[15] Lit., "what he postulates as a likeness of [or "as likely for"] the Most Gracious": i.e., female offspring, which implies a natural "likeness" to its progenitor.

“Nothing can be compared with Allah” and he gives a false twist to it to suit selling his hate to the simpletons. Indeed, there is nothing like God, he is the creator, sustainer and Nourisher of the world and above all he loves his creation. He is merciful and kind and of course he is, he the creator.

There is a pattern with him, he deliberately misquotes and has a habit of twisting to warm up his supporters.

***
Now coming to some of his other criticism of the shameful event of the school girls burning in Saudi Arabia, every Muslim condemns this and we will continue to condemn such practices. The Saudis kicked God aside and took over the judgment of the people, that is GD shirk . So, if I were in Saudi Arabia, I am not responsible for my sins on the Day of Judgment, because they are taking the responsibility to regulate morality. And of course it is not morality, it is men culture like everywhere in the world where the insecure men find the fake security by making women’s life difficult.

There is some truth in the following statement, “Nevertheless, most Muslims never raise their voice against the radicals. This is the “fearful fatalistic apathy” Churchill referred to.” What Geert does not understand or understands and is simply selling hate is – that is the case with every group with no exception. Let one Jew criticize Israel, they all will pounce on him and eat him alive, where as Muslims does to the backbiting just as the Christians and Hindus will sue each other. The bottom line is all are like that. He is duping again to those gullible followers of his.

Wilders is an evil man and makes his living by selling hate that is all he has. You cannot expect clean water to flow from a sewer. If he had intelligence he would have offered it. Facts don’t matter to him. His followers are so dumb that they don’t check for facts anyways.

If he turns to building peace he will succeed, he has that passion and I wish a change of heart for him.

Mike Ghouse

[Fragony]

Ah some Qu'ran interpertations we will just have to take for granted, and eventually we just don't understand them. But reality speaks with a different voice, and it's there for everyone to see.

[Hax]

Ah some Qu'ran interpertations we will just have to take for granted, and eventually we just don't understand them. But reality speaks with a different voice, and it's there for everyone to see.

So why is Wilders allowed to attack Muslims using surahs, and yet Muslims are not allowed to defend themselves from those attacks?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Muhahaha old with your retard of a son and his juntawhore and your 100% loyal leftist lapdogs, you lose. There's going to be tears in hobbyland, good luck paying your houses in 100% white neighbourhoods you useless awareness-gits.

Do you mean the coup d'état by the queen / Bilderberg group / the mighty mulitcultural leftist overlords has failed then...?


So it will be a Danish model for the Netherlands? A minority government supported by the rightwing populists.

(Reuters) - Pushing an austerity agenda, two right-leaning Dutch parties agreed Friday to have talks to form a minority government with support from an anti-Islam party five months after the last government collapsed.


The minority government -- a rarity in Dutch politics -- would include the Liberal Party (VVD), which narrowly won June 9 elections after a broader government collapsed over the Afghan military mission, and the Christian Democrats (CDA).
The Freedom Party (PVV), which wants to stop Muslim immigration and ban the Koran in the Netherlands, has agreed to back the minority government in the Dutch parliament, leader Geert Wilders said on Dutch NOS Radio 1.


The Christian Democrats had resisted forming a majority government with the PVV because of its hardline stance on Islam. But Christian Democratic leader Maxime Verhagen said he was convinced the CDA and VVD could reach a pact that would do justice to CDA principles of freedom of religion and education. "At the same time it is possible to come to a stable political cooperation which can have PVV's support," he told Dutch radio.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE66T4M120100730

[Fragony]

So why is Wilders allowed to attack Muslims using surahs, and yet Muslims are not allowed to defend themselves from those attacks?

Who's on trial?

@luigi looks like it but she can still put her foot down and just say NEINEINEIN, wonder if the old will. But if it isn't now it's soon anyway so here's a happy Frag. Things are going to be much less easy for her retard of a son and his golddigging juntawhore anyway.

[Hax]

Who's on trial?

Islam is, isn't it? Our Dear Leader Living Saint very own Michiel de Ruyter said so, at least

[Fragony]

Islam is, isn't it? Our Dear Leader Living Saint very own Michiel de Ruyter said so, at least

In a way, Amsterdam court really was too leftist for their own sake when they decided on this, really stupid move, it's indeed the consequence of the charges that Islam itself is on trial. The corrupt bastards should realise by now that this blatant political prosecution was a big mistake.

That retoric is annoying by the way, just because the leftist church has their satan doesn't mean we have a saint. Or a leader, I didn't even vote on him.

lol http://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/19976245411 Don't laugh too soon Beatrix van Amsberg can still sabotage it all and make the 100% loyal Job president. There are interests at stake $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Fragony]

Hmmmmmm, looks like it's really going to happen, I am going to get my rightwing coalition. I am naturally very pleased and the panic in the leftist camp is getting kinda grotesque, yes mia muca's your state supported comfortable bliss will really be cut dry and you have 1 year to find a real job. Your houses you could never really afford and the prices in higher and middle segments will naturally drop. Boohoohoo good luck living in your precious cultural enrichment. Many going down and only their own arrogance to blame, pesky snobs with their creepy pointing fingers. Unknown territory though we rigtwingers never had a majority in parlement and this much popular support. Interesting times I wasn't really ready for it to happen so soon, expected 10 more years or so.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, we got you you bloodsucking babybooming scum.

[Furunculus]

lol, should be enetertaining times in hollandia.

[Fragony]

lol, should be enetertaining times in hollandia.

Ya, we are talking about billions of euro's not going to the airbenders who make a living out of everyting that is wrong with this country, the countless foundations, the tons of knowologues. Feel free to read it with a Rocharch accent, Camaron is a pussy.

And no this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdaluptBip4 is not art, in any way, ask your friendly local for funds

I love art that is why I collect it, and others can have it for free GAH fu&die

[Skullheadhq]

Unknown territory though we rigtwingers never had a majority in parlement and this much popular support. Interesting times I wasn't really ready for it to happen so soon, expected 10 more years or so.

Cabinets from WWII onwards.

Rightwing Cabinets: (16)

-Beel II (KVP, ARP, CHU.)
-De Quay (KVP, VVD, ARP, CHU)
-Marijnen (KVP, VVD, ARP, CHU)
-Zijlstra (KVP, ARP)
-De Jong (KVP, VVD, ARP, CHU)
-Biesheuvel I (KVP, VVD, ARP, CHU, DS'70)
-Biesheuvel II (KVP, VVD, ARP, CHU)
-Van Agt I (VVD, CDA*)
-Van Agt III (CDA, D'66)
-Lubbers I (CDA, VVD)
-Lubbers II (CDA, VVD)
-Balkenende I (CDA, VVD, LPF)
-Balkenende II (CDA, VVD, D'66)
-Balkenende III (CDA, VVD)
-Rutte? (VVD, CDA)

Mixed Cabinets: (13)

-Schemerhoorn-Drees (KVP, SDAP, ARP, VDB)
-Beel I (KVP, PvdA)
-Drees-Van Schaik (KVP, PvdA, CHU, VVD)
-Drees I (KVP, PvdA, CHU, VVD)
-Drees II (KVP, PvdA, CHU, ARP)
-Drees III (KVP, PvdA, CHU, VVD)
-Cals (KVP, PvdA, ARP)
-Den Uyl (PvdA, KVP, ARP, PPR, D'66)
-Van Agt II (CDA, PvdA, D'66)
-Lubbers III (CDA, PvdA)
-Paars I (PvdA, VVD, D'66)
-Paars II (PvdA, VVD, D'66)
-Balkenende IV (CDA, PvdA, CU)

Leftwing Cabinets: (0)

-none


*KVP, ARP and CHU merged and formed CDA
** Marked in orange are the cabinets exclusively composed of the parties that want to form the new cabinet


Get your facts together Frag!

[Fragony]

I got my facts straight we never had a majority, queen picks who she wants and picks from the leftwing of said party's, the left is on unelected positions, majors, commisioners of the crown, etc. We can now work them out, and we have a mandate. None of these party's are rightwing anyway, just not ultra-leftist. Now things are different, we get a say on who goes where. Verhagen is no van Agt or that creep Aantjes (ex-SS) It's a change of mentality, going to take a while, but the right can start fixing what's broken.

[Skullheadhq]

The right-wing never had a majority? The right-wing always almost had a majority! We only ever had a majority government and most of them were right wing, read my list above.

PS: There never has been a left-wing majority, ever.

[Fragony]

Make that middle and I would agree, what you call rightwing always had a leftist flank, take Dijkstal. LPF was somewhat rightwing, PVV is rightwing, but they are populists first. The policy we want never had a majority. it's pretty clear what we voted for, less immigration, less spending. The left doesn't need a majority they got the queen. Leftist themes were never to be doubted, not anymore.

[Skullheadhq]

Right Wing formation failed miserably, but it was a good show to watch...

[Fragony]

Right Wing formation failed miserably, but it was a good show to watch...

yeah yeah, but we won't need fairytale people next time. The panic of the established political party's and their sorry tricks has opened many eyes and PVV is by far the most powerful party, nobody likes bullies. We will now probably get that serial-failling critical cartoonist arresting Cohen and the hissing hounds from the eco-nostra and dhimmi66. All vuvuzuelas grabbing at straws defending an ideoligy nobody believes in anymore. I bet Bilderbeatricks van Amsberg is pleased with her loyal lapdogs. Licking like Lassie. The dye has been cast, enjoy your commisions/workgroups/foundations/stateTV for just a little while longer.

[Skullheadhq]

yeah yeah, but we won't need fairytale people next time. .

Keep on dreaming, keep on dreaming...

[Fragony]

Keep on dreaming, keep on dreaming...

Was too much to ask for at the time, maybe it's for the better for now I can wait time is all I need. The multicultural ideal is dead no way around it, the devout are seen as relics. That is true for the whole of Europe, the water won't be so cold next time. What is happening in Germany with Sarrazin is very telling, panic. The left responds in their usual way, shooting the messenger with everything they have at their disposal, but who's still buying it, the suffocation that is social control is waning. Nothing changes except the age of the multicultists.

lol I forgive him that he stole my insult, 'licklackey'.. yeah, like Lassie, he misses not an inch to please her majesty he licks that clam clean, thanks the lord for whatever got stuck between his teeth, that faint yoghurt odour penetrating his nostrills as he caresses [url]http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/508/THEODOR-HOLMAN/article/detail/1005406/2010/09/01/Cartoon.dhtml[/ur

[Fragony]

Keep on dreaming, keep on dreaming...

Mornin'

MUHA nananananaaaaaaaaaaaana prffffffffffffft

coffee? maybe something stronger?

[Tellos Athenaios]

I'm not happy with the result. It's not the coalition which bothers me, although they're going to pull stupid crap to appease Wilders. It's that they've pandered to the traditional VVD cop-out of “answers? policy? we don't know what you mean... but in the meantime let's make government "more efficient"”. It's never worked, and it never will. It's a cop out to dodge the bullet on stuff like hypotheekrenteaftrek and they know full well they're leaving a €7bn hole and accumulating for us to clean up after them. Oh and while they're at it they like to push through a few more hare brained schemes which don't solve anything. (More money on roads. Yeah, except our railways are anything from between brand new to 50-70s old long past sell-by date gear. Less money on education even though that creates the crown jewels of our economy and long term growth. And I have little doubt they're going to piss off the Germans even more about the EU which is a stupid thing to do for us as we live off the Germans collective hunger for goods made all the more easy thanks to the EU.)

Please, let the next cabinet feature the D66 (who seem to be the most genuinely willing to kill it) and shove that fiscal responsibility rod right through the collective backsides of the “fiscal responsible right”. Pretty please?

[Fragony]

Maybe D66 would have to feature D66 first, good thing for D66 that Alexander the Great is a man of his word and will migrate to that mythological place called 'not here'.