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    Beskar, you seem to have a quite biased definition of the left, which more or less comes down to

    "Good things = left / bad things = right". This is up in pretty much any way. Even though I'm a die-hard leftist, things certainly aren't as simple as that. Nor can they be summarized into some general rule such as "the left is closer to anarchy, and the right is closer to totalitarianism..."

    For your informations, anarchy isn't a leftist ideology. Right-winged anarchy exists. It is the most extreme form of individualism and free-marketism. Stirner's egoism hardly classifies as a leftist ideology. The same applies to some of Nietzche's writings. Though Right-wing anarchism isn't really remembered nowadays it certainly was a quite widespread ideology in the early 20th. Many romantic writers who found some appeal in fascism and nazism were in fact former right-winged anarchists (in France, you have Louis-Ferdinand Céline for example). As for Proudhon, one of the first person to theorize leftist-anarchism, he'd probably qualify as a fascist nowadays (mainly because of his views regarding jews, foreigners and women).

    As for totalitarianism, it certainly isn't a caracteristic of the right. The French Revolution was certainly totalitarian. People who opposed the ideology of the current elite in power were hunted down, exiled or assassinated : monarchists, feuillants, members or the clergy, girondins, and lastly jacobins. Political commissars were sent throughout the country to make sure the population was "taught" how to enjoy their "newly discovered freedom" (by using violence if needed). Opposition newspapers were forbidden. State propaganda was commonly used. All in all, Revolutionnary France wasn't all that different from Lenin-era USSR (which was also a leftist totalitarian regime).

    Later on, the French 3rd Republic would also qualify as a light-totalitarian leftist regime. Not because it was a single party dictatorship (even though the country was clearly dominated by the Radical Party), but because the Elite tried to enforce the republican ideology onto everyone. Religion was banned from school, regional languages were forbidden, official History was written in a way that casted light on the Revolution (while the Ancient Regime was described as an era of darkness and tyranny). Everything had to be impregnated by republican ideas : school, work, and even your household.

    To conclude, there are many definitions of what's left and what's right, but the one your using is certainly new to me, even though I've studied political sciences for 6 years or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    “[B]
    Victories? Isn't that kills?”
    Yeap. But Pilots speak like this.
    I give you that my grandfather in blowing up trains probably killed more Germans than most of pilots but it is less “glamorous".
    Or a obscure machine-gunner...
    Well, that's certainly is because pilots were seen as the last "knights", duelling honorably in the air while footmen were getting slaughtered on the ground. Though that might have been true during WWI, it certainly wasn't anymore during WWII, yet the term "victories" stayed.
    Last edited by CountArach; 09-08-2010 at 12:30.

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