Somewhere betwixt the two of you is likely to be an accurate answer. Neither of your arguments is without merit.
Somewhere betwixt the two of you is likely to be an accurate answer. Neither of your arguments is without merit.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
I don't even know what to say anymore. On one hand you have the people who will not desist from their holy crusade to veiw the truth as always being in the middle despite any and all evidence to the contrary. On the other, you have the people who, when confronted with fact that exploitation is still a real and serious problem, proclaim, "OH PSHAW THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN IN A MILLION MILLION YEARS" despite the fact that it can, has, does, and will happen unless measures are taken to prevent it. This thread is like a melting pot for bad arguments.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Britain is not that bad. It is only a certain Underground Rail Union that is a problem.
Though a problem is, they want to dismantle the Royal Mail, which is facepalm worthy. Even the USPS is nationalised.
Last edited by Beskar; 09-12-2010 at 13:22.
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The Royal Mail needs to radically change from the current system it's got. I don't view privatisation as the answer in and of itself, but I doubt else it will adapt.
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There was the issue that they privatised the most lucrative aspects of the postal service, which made it significantly more difficult for the Royal Mail to get money, as they get forced to have supply lines to 'No Where Ville' while other couriers just actually hand it over to the Royal Mail to deliver so they don't have to.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
Yes, that was inane, especially as there was no requirement for others not to cherry pick as they have done. The idea was to make Royal Mail compete. But how is that possible when the Unions view every publicly owned entity as a course of infinite money?
But the inefficiencies in such as areas as the sorting offices should be addressed - although of course it would mean reducing staff numbers.
That there is a one price for all areas is a system which needs to change (or, alternatively reduce the frequency of deliveries). Yes, you might like living in the back of beyond. Good for you. A side effect of that should be less access to services that cost a fortune to keep going.
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An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Actually, the USPS is only partially nationalized. It has a monopoly on first class mail (letters) but competes on the rest. USPS employees are unionized and semi-government at the same time. As usual, this means that the USA has managed -- with the exception of Kukrikhan -- to combine the worst of both approaches.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Postal service is self sufficient from government money and does a very good job at what it does. My netflix DVDs are always delivered within a day of them shipping it out.
http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html
Yeah, I really don't know why people keep ripping on the postal service, especially since the private mail couriers are the most salient example of private companies abandoning non-lucrative markets I could possibly come up with.
The Daily Show, of all things, does a segment on the cruel hypocrisy of American unions:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...orking-stiffed
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