Christianity Offially on the UP in England and Wales

[HoreTore]

Hate mongering and belittling is usually taken as a sign of fear...

Yes, and I fear the cast of Paradise Hotel as well.

:facepalm:

But there is some truth to your statement, Philipvs; while a christian majority isn't exactly likely in the foreseeable future, the draconian laws they would implement should they get a majority is more than enough motivation we need to keep up the fight of keeping christianity down at a manageable percentage.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes, and I fear the cast of Paradise Hotel as well.

:facepalm:

But there is some truth to your statement, Philipvs; while a christian majority isn't exactly likely in the foreseeable future, the draconian laws they would implement should they get a majority is more than enough motivation we need to keep up the fight of keeping christianity down at a manageable percentage.

Britain was a Christian-majority country in the 1910's-1950's, it was not Draconian; Soviet Russia was Atheistic, and it was Draconian.

Draco wasn't a Christian either, he was a Polytheist.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Britain was a Christian-majority country in the 1910's-1950's, it was not Draconian; Soviet Russia was Atheistic, and it was Draconian.

Draco wasn't a Christian either, he was a Polytheist.

Nice guilt by association.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nice guilt by association.

It isn't guilt by association.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Nice guilt by association.

Wrong try again.

[Hax]

While our great Norwegian viking friend horetore might not have explained it so eloquently, perhaps there is some basis of truth in what he says. I think that when junkies and alcoholics feel regret, and seek moral guidance, they may convert to Christianity as it can offer great relief to people in need. And I don't think that's bad.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

While our great Norwegian viking friend horetore might not have explained it so eloquently, perhaps there is some basis of truth in what he says. I think that when junkies and alcoholics feel regret, and seek moral guidance, they may convert to Christianity as it can offer great relief to people in need. And I don't think that's bad.

His comment was still needlessly violent and hateful.

[Idaho]

needlessly violent and hateful.

A good description of the actions of the church in the Africa and the New World over the centuries ;)

[HoreTore]

Britain was a Christian-majority country in the 1910's-1950's, it was not Draconian; Soviet Russia was Atheistic, and it was Draconian.

Draco wasn't a Christian either, he was a Polytheist.

If we are to take the christians seriously, then the following will at the very least happen:
*abortion made illegal
*gay marriage banned
*preaching and prayer will be allowed in school
*limits to divorce

....Which is what I would call draconian, especially the abortion one.

And yes, britain in the start of the century did have draconian laws like the death penalty, sodomy laws existed, divorce was a lot harder and abortion was illegal and treated like murder.

It's quite funny when you think about it, personal freedoms have gone up from the days of feudalism until today, and in the same period of time the power of christianity has gone down.... That might not be a coincidence....

His comment was still needlessly violent and hateful.

Uhm, what? Are you ashamed that your faith converts junkies? Do you consider them lesser people, or what?

Because fact is that junkies and alcoholics is one of christianity's top sources of converts. And a rise in the number of junkies will logically be followed by an increase in the number of christians.

[a completely inoffensive name]

It isn't guilt by association.

Wrong try again.

No it was, because you are making your statement as if the atheism within Marxist thought contributed to the atrocities and backwards laws. The USSR did not base it's draconian laws on atheism (except the laws removing religion from the country). The religious right Christians in countries do make almost all social laws based upon what their religion dictates. Gay marriage= Jesus doesn't like it. Ground Zero Mosque= Intolerance towards religion that's not Christianity.

Also, don't tell me the UK didn't have "draconian" measures. You only decriminalized homosexual male intercourse in 1967. Up until then you cracked down on those gays including Alan Turing, who then killed himself. But I guess ruining the life of one of the most brilliant mathematicians and computer scientists because he was gay isn't "draconian" to Christians, it's just keeping the country "clean" for God.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No it was, because you are making your statement as if the atheism within Marxist thought contributed to the atrocities and backwards laws. The USSR did not base it's draconian laws on atheism (except the laws removing religion from the country).

You're not being very objective in this thread acin.

Horetore said christians would implement draconian laws.

PVC made a counterargument--so he was arguing in defense of Christianity. He wasn't arguing for the guilt of atheism so it wasn't guilt by association.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You're not being very objective in this thread acin.

Horetore said christians would implement draconian laws.

PVC made a counterargument--so he was arguing in defense of Christianity. He wasn't arguing for the guilt of atheism so it wasn't guilt by association.

By making the case that the UK with a Christian majority country in the first half of the 20th century was not draconian, yes he was indeed making a counterpoint. But the second statement of including an atheistic country that was draconian isn't a counterpoint to the statement that Christians would implement draconian laws, it just counters the statement that only in Christian countries would draconian laws occur. So unless he was countering that statement (which I do not recall being said but I may be wrong there), then I must assume the only reason he tacked on that point was to simply put blame on atheists as well.