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    HoreTore, I am unsure how to convince you. Even the most leftist media in Sweden has admitted that immigrants are way over represented, so to sit online and struggle with trying to get you to accept it seems like a waste of time. Read up on it, by all means. You would have to make a very compelling argument to try and sway me though.

    I will leave the rape discussion, but am more than willing to adress other issues, like, the intended issues I first started the thread with (if anyone remembers).




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    I think the economical reasons was the main factor as to why people voted for SD this time around. With finances as they are, people start to frown when money are spent on immigration rather than taking care of the people already in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibumi View Post
    HoreTore, I am unsure how to convince you. Even the most leftist media in Sweden has admitted that immigrants are way over represented, so to sit online and struggle with trying to get you to accept it seems like a waste of time. Read up on it, by all means. You would have to make a very compelling argument to try and sway me though.
    lolz.

    I have already proven that assault rapes are so rare that they are irrelevant, I have explained why these rape statistics are completely useless numbers that doesn't tell us anything and I have shown why such things should not affect a wider immigration policy.

    You, on the other hand, have made absolutely no argument to counter it, and it now looks like you're incapable of doing so.



    I'm not saying that is a surprise though, given your affection for SD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shibumi View Post
    I think the economical reasons was the main factor as to why people voted for SD this time around. With finances as they are, people start to frown when money are spent on immigration rather than taking care of the people already in the country.
    And here we see the good parrot repeating another favourite racist quote; that the immigration is costing us a bunch of money. I admit that there haven't been much studies done on this(it's a very large subject), but here is one, and it concludes that immigration is a bonus; immigrants provide more to our nation than they take.



    But, as a Norwegian, I am of course more than willing to accept that you Swedes voted out of ignorance instead of actual knowledge
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    Does anyone else find it odd Horetore knows so much about rape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    lolz.

    I have already proven that assault rapes are so rare that they are irrelevant, I have explained why these rape statistics are completely useless numbers that doesn't tell us anything and I have shown why such things should not affect a wider immigration policy.
    64% of the people being jailed in France are of African descent. 72% are muslims. But surely, that's irrelevant too. Too small numbers. Shouldn't be taken into account, blabla.

    You used to be better at arguing. Covering your ears while repeating "you're wrong you're wrong nanana" doesn't make you right.

    Indeed! A few weeks ago, I was in bed with a friend of mine after we came home from a night on out. Just slept, no sex involved at all, the reason she slept here instead of at home is because it was a lot easier to get here at 0400. Now... assume I raped her. She was drunk as hell and in no position to resist, I am also a lot stronger than her. She reports it to the police, we end up in court and what happens? I say it was consensual sex. She says it wasn't. As there are absolutely no more evidence, unless I confess, I go free because of the doubt, especially since there have been a lot of flirting between us in the past.
    This got to be the biggest pile of BS posted in the backroom in a long while. Are you trying to replace Khadagar_AV?

    It is well known that crimes are rarely reported in suburbs that host lot of immigrants. Omerta, law of silence, blackmailling, etc. Your idea that crimes are reported less often when it comes to white people because they have "social networks" is, as Tribesman would put it, utter bollox.
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    Covering my ears, Meneldil? No mate, what you quoted was a reference to my previous posts, as I didn't really feel like repeating what I have said.

    And my statements have been about a specific thing, rape, in a specific region, sweden. If you want to counter those arguments, you will have to argue within that area, as it obviously does not apply to other things(crimes in general) in other places(France).

    I eould be happy to discuss immigrant crime in France too of course, but I'd want a start other than "you're an idiot".

    EDIT: also, khadagar gets laid. I did not. I can assure you, me and her not having sex sure as hell wasn't my idea...

    I got as far as breast fondling and dry humping a year ago, that's the closest I've been with her....
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    I always wondered something though....

    If I remember correctly, the right wants focus on the individual and treated as such. Protecting the individual from the masses. Evils of socialism and all that lot. So why do the 'right' brand a segment of the population and call them evil, even though there are plenty of individuals in that constructed grouping working hard and simply progressing with their lives?

    It always struck me as silly and contradictory.

    As for crime-statistics, perhaps the conditions, economically and socially for foreigners leads them more likely to commit crime, but on that note, should you stick them all in camps or expel people on the basis of their skin color or religion? Should we tag all Muslims so if they go near someone vulnerable, it sets off an alarm? Where are these solutions outside of "Muslims/coloured people are teh evilz!"

    It is a fact that in-group people view out-groups in negative stereotypes. "Those other them are not like us, they are all negative negative!", and this is simply what is occurring.

    I am not going to deny statistics, but if I was in power, I would tackle the issues so people were not vulnerable and deal with any of the issues. I can do all of this without going on some bigoted rant saying coloured people are evil as well.

    There is a big difference saying there is a "situation in this section we need to deal with" and "all coloured people are evil!". Unfortunately, the ones who advocate the latter cannot tell the different between the former and when called out on their bigoted opinion, cry foul trying to say they the people accusing them as such 'want to get in bed with coloured people and have wet dreams with them', as some one earlier mentioned.
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    Beskar, I am running out of time now - so to make it short.

    The SD doesnt want to send anyone to the gas chambers, nor kick anyone out who is here (except fugitives without citizenship who commit crime, which I deem fair enough).

    They do however want to get immigration numbers (henceforth) down to the levels of, say, Norway and Denmark. SD also offers a sum off money for refugees who decide to return to their birth countries.

    "You fled - situation in your country calmed down - here is some money so you can return and prosper"

    If they want people out, it is with carrots, not with sticks. Something I applaud. I do not think this will work though, as few will go back to, say, Iran, after having been granted citizenship in Sweden. The idea however is def far away from what they are accused of "they will kick the immigrants out".
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    Sure, Immigration levels doesn't mean that Muslims are evil rapists. I have always been a long time advocate of Population control, in particular, think there should be a pretty universal one child per parent system (Any more kids won't receive any form of benefits from the government, it is your conscious choice to have more kids or not).

    My post wasn't in particular against the SD party and their policies, it was in response to some of the posters based on what they said here and in other topics.

    If the SD only want to limit immigration and offer non-citizens the chance to return to their country, then there is no actual problem with that. However, if this is simply it, they should say it like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibumi View Post
    The SD doesnt want to send anyone to the gas chambers, nor kick anyone out who is here (except fugitives without citizenship who commit crime, which I deem fair enough).
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