The Catilinian Conspiracy [Concluded]

**ULC** · 09-26-2010, 12:23

Originally Posted by God Emperor

Are there role reveals upon death?

Exilium: Byzantineknight

Exile is not death my dear Armored Eastern Roman.

**Captain Blackadder** · 09-26-2010, 13:59

Originally Posted by Csargo

I can't say I fully understand the concept either. Can we Recall someone and still exile/lynch someone in the same phase?

You can Recall and exile in the same day phase.

**White_eyes:D** · 09-26-2010, 14:03

Why is everyone being so bloodthirsty?

**Diamondeye** · 09-26-2010, 15:24

I guess my first townie game for as long as I can recall is a good game to die on day 1 in. Do we have a :cigar: smilie on this forum?

**ULC** · 09-26-2010, 16:07

I was hoping for a more enlightened approach to day one. Either some people are significantly more informed about what Exilium does, or they are more informed of DE's status - it still gives us information though.

**TheFlax** · 09-26-2010, 17:16

(First off, apologies for not posting earlier, due to a full inbox I did not receive my role until today and I prefer to know what my role is before getting into the game)

I think day 1 is the perfect time to find out was Exilium does, since its the day where we have the lowest odds of finding scum.

I'd rather pick someone else, but Exilium: Double A since he's the one most voted for exile.

One thing I've noticed in games where you can vote for different effects to happen to someone, is that the person who to most people want voted off might slip away if they divide their voting between two different "methods", suddenly putting a second candidate in the lead with a few votes. We'll have to watch out for that.

**ByzantineKnight** · 09-26-2010, 18:00

Originally Posted by God Emperor

Exilium: Byzantineknight

okay... O.o

Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

Voting

There are two ways that you can vote at anytime

The first is

Vote Exilium This exiles the person chosen by the senate they may no longer be helped by any roman citizen. They can be given no shelter nor no food. At any time this may be reversed with Vote Recall

The Second is

Vote Tullianum. This takes the person voted and throws them into the Mamertine Prison where they are to be killed.

I think until we are certain about someone being scummy we should just exile them... that way we can always vote to recall (at any time apparently) so it is much safer for us... But I would still like to know what the specific in-game effects of exile are

**Beskar** · 09-26-2010, 20:53

Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

I think until we are certain about someone being scummy we should just exile them... that way we can always vote to recall (at any time apparently) so it is much safer for us... But I would still like to know what the specific in-game effects of exile are

They return from Gaul with three veteran legions and take on the Senate, who are unprepared and not enough time to levy troops.

**ByzantineKnight** · 09-26-2010, 20:58

Originally Posted by Beskar

They return from Gaul with three veteran legions and take on the Senate, who are unprepared and not enough time to levy troops.

Well if thats the case, throw them to the lions!!

**Winston Hughes** · 09-26-2010, 22:59

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I would like to hear from Cicero and Catalina before I decide anything.

Not voting for me, eh?

Exilium: johnhughthom

**Captain Blackadder** · 09-26-2010, 23:06

Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

okay... O.o

I think until we are certain about someone being scummy we should just exile them... that way we can always vote to recall (at any time apparently) so it is much safer for us... But I would still like to know what the specific in-game effects of exile are

They are simply temporarly out of the game. They do not count towards anyones victory conditions but be warned some people will not be happy to be exiled and let's just say something interesting could happen if you exile certain people.

**Captain Blackadder** · 09-26-2010, 23:38

The Round is over prepare for write up

**Captain Blackadder** · 09-27-2010, 03:34

Exilium

YLC
Romanic
DiamondEye
White Eyes
autoclyus
God Emperor
TheFlax
Winston Hughes

Tullianum
Csargo
ATPG

Person to be Exiled

Csargo, DiamondEye
Double A Romanic, YLC, The Flax
Romanic, Secura
DiamondEyes Csargo, ATPG, White Eyes
Johnhughthom, Autolycus, Winston Hughes
Byzantine Knight, God Emperor

As the sun falls over the Senate House the debate rages on Cicero gets up on the Rostra and is given the floor.

Hail to thee Good Romans one and all have we reached a decision as to what we shall do to the person we decide to take action on this fine day?

Exile roars back the Senate with only a few voices dissenting amongst the crowd. But these people are shouted down by the rest of the Senate implying that they are too blood thirsty and are giving into emotions and that true Romans hide their feelings. They also imply that the people dissenting are Greek lovers and thus unworthy Romans.

Cicero continues

It is indeed good that the Senate is decisive for it is that form of action that is required in these the darkest of all times. This the time that all good Romans fear not of the actions of barbarians outside of Rome but of the enemies within our gates. These men who sit amongst us plotting will be scared by this decisive action. Has the Senate decided who is to be exiled on this day?

With this a great roar erupts in the Senate with many people pointing out that a certain Senator has yet to arrive and thus it is clear that he is the guilty one for what does a good roman have to fear. Why would he not be brave enough to have input on this day? However a second great roar erupts for the person who voted that Cicero be exiled. They say it is clear he is a creature of Catiline for who would vote against the man who alerted this great Hall to the threat that lies within our walls. Plus they say how could he be a Senator when he does not even know that Cicero as standing Consul has Imperium and is thus beyond the reach of the Senate in voting for these matters.

The argument continues and it soon becomes clear that there will be no clear winner. The sun sets and Cicero gets up one more time

With the setting of the Sun I call this meeting of the Senate to an end with no clear decision reached amongst our fellow Senators there can only be one course of action no one shall be exiled today for I will not ruin someones life taking all that they own on the bases of a divided Senate I thank you all

Begin Night 1

**ULC** · 09-27-2010, 05:06

Well, that was useful - anyone else want explain the lack of a decisive vote?

**johnhughthom** · 09-27-2010, 06:23

Perhaps it takes a clear majority for an action to succeed.

**ByzantineKnight** · 09-27-2010, 06:31

Originally Posted by YLC

Well, that was useful - anyone else want explain the lack of a decisive vote?

why we didn't have a decisive vote? or why the votes didn't count?

**Romanic** · 09-27-2010, 07:00

The tally should have been:

3 Exile Double A (Romanic, theFlax, YLC)
2 Tull Diamondeye (ATPG, Csargo)
2 Exile johnhughthom (Autolycus, Winston)
1 Exile Csargo (Diamondeye)
1 Exile ByzantineKnight (Gold Emperor)
1 Exile Diamondeye (White_eyes:D)

So normally Double A should have been exiled, however it seems that, unlike other games with different lynch methods, our votes comes in 2 independent parts, meaning the "how" and the "who" are not linked together, they are 2 different tallies:`

"How" tally
8 Exilium (Auto, DE, GE, Romanic, Flax, WE. Winston, YLC)
2 Tullianum (ATPG, Csargo)

"Who" tally
3 Double A (Romanic, theFlax, YLC)
3 Diamondeye (ATPG, Csargo, White_eyes:D)
2 johnhughthom (Autolycus, Winston)
1 Csargo (Diamondeye)
1 ByzantineKnight (Gold Emperor)

Double A and Diamondeye are tied in the lead, there's no clear winner, thus a no-lynch. That's how I figure it works, from how the writeup was written.

**Joooray** · 09-27-2010, 10:26

Sorry, I missed the first phase. As I mentioned elsewhere, I was away for the weekend.

**Double A** · 09-28-2010, 05:44

Oh, to hell with Civ V. ATPG's announcement made me realize how much I love mafia... I'll be fine as long as I don't overextend myself like the last 20 times.

Well, I'm glad you all didn't come to a decision regarding who to exile. Uhm... so... hi. Again.

**ByzantineKnight** · 09-28-2010, 05:47

good to have you with us :)

Romanic's theory sounds right... so that means we just lost our first lynch/exile?

**Diamondeye** · 09-28-2010, 07:25

Originally Posted by Double A

Oh, to hell with Civ V.

Betrayer of the true path!

**johnhughthom** · 09-28-2010, 10:38

Originally Posted by Diamondeye

Betrayer of the true path!

What he really means is "Mommy wouldn't buy me Civ 5, so I'll slum it with you guys a bit longer."

**Diamondeye** · 09-28-2010, 10:53

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

What he really means is "Mommy wouldn't buy me Civ 5, so I'll slum it with you guys a bit longer."

I just left the store but they won't have it home for another two hours, so that's pretty much my situation as well.
After that, though, you might want to try and contact me on steam through God Emperor, Beskar or Double A. If you can get in contact with them...

**Captain Blackadder** · 09-28-2010, 14:14

Night One

As night falls over the city of Rome the Senators are scared beyond belief no one has being exiled so who is going to die this very night. Two murderers walk the streets talking to each other over who it is they should kill they duck through the alleyways of Rome avoiding the scummy areas. At night time the wealthy areas of Rome are empty no one goes out after dark unless they have something untoward planned and these two men have something very untoward planned indeed.As they see their targets house they split up heading off to their various targets. The first man enters into a house that is deceptively plain. It has no flashy ornaments no garish displays of wealth this is a house of a man who knows he is rich and does not merely think he is. This is the house of Marcus Crassus richest man in all of Rome a man who at last count had 200 million sesterces the equal of the treasury of all of Rome. However for all his wealth and power it will not save him from the butcher’s knife and with his death a great blow will be struck for the poor men of Rome for much of their debt was in his hands. The killer stalks his prey pulling out a small Gladius he sneaks through the house passed the sleeping servants and into the bedchamber of Marcus Crassus (autolycus) his raises his swords to strike and kill Crassus in a single blow he then quickly flees back into the city leaving no evidence of what Senator he is. Crassus is not a man that will be mourned but his death puzzles the Senators of Rome for if a man of his power can be killed like that what hope has the rest of the group of surviving these trying times.

The Second Killer walks to the Hills of the Palatine the wealthiest area of Rome he attempts to enter a house belonging to the Consul Cicero however as he attempts to gain entry he is spotted by Tiro the servant of Cicero and runs off into the night. Killing Cicero will be no easy task it will require far more planning to have any chance of succeeding many others will have to die before Cicero will be unprotected.

The next morning and the Senate meets once again but in the night-time two messages have being placed on the walls of the Senate they read as follows
"Exile not the man who would be king, lest he return in triumph."
And the second reads
"Don't trust God Emperor. He does not have the best interests of the Republic at heart."

Cicero gets up on the Rostra and begins to speak.

My fellow Romans good men to the man we have much to fear over the following days just last night a cowardly assassin attempted to kill me your beloved Consul.Thes men failed in their task just as they will fail at all they do. However I have some sad news Crassus is dead, he was a friend of mine, he brought the news of this plot to my attention and it appears that he has paid for it with his life. In light of his noble sacrifice for the Republic I put forward a motion that we, the Senate, put on a series of Gladitorial Games in the Forum in his honour. All those opposed to this motion speak now.

There is no response.

All in favour.

With this the great roar once again moves across the Senate like a wave.

Motion Carried. Now let us all vote on whom should be sent to his death or who should be exiled.

Autolycus (Marcus Crassus) is dead

**autolycus** · 09-28-2010, 14:55

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

**Diamondeye** · 09-28-2010, 15:34

I suggest we recall me, seeing as there have been plenty of murderous business. Also, the hell, Crassus gone on night one? Tough jerkey.

I don't have anything to say on the topic of the notes... I don't have any reason to believe GE to be guilty but neither to suggest his innocence. The other is more cryptic. I suppose it means that we should never exile Catalina; That'll mean a loss.

EDIT: O and @the host: Have you read Conn Iggulden's series on Caesar? It's very much in the spirit of this game, I feel. And is the no-punctuation-politic voluntary? My head hurts.

**Captain Blackadder** · 09-28-2010, 15:55

I have read some of them I am not a fan it takes far too much liberties with history. Its potrayal of Cato in particuler irks me. As for puncutation it is a flaw of mine. When I focus on puncuation it is a lot better. I suppose in many ways I am like how someone desribed catch 22. "It appears not so much to have being written but shouted onto the page."

**God Emperor** · 09-28-2010, 17:46

Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

"Don't trust God Emperor. He does not have the best interests of the Republic at heart."

hmm.. It would appear that a person has the ability to to enter text in the writeup, similar to the telepathy ability in parasite.
Anyway, I think Romanic might be right, and we must therefore each day phase make sure that a tie does not occur.
Personally I don't like bandwagons in the start of the game, so I am going to Vote Exilium TheFlax for the late bandwagon vote

**ByzantineKnight** · 09-28-2010, 17:58

Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I suppose it means that we should never exile Catalina

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Catalina was already exiled/kicked out of the senate... Or was that just part of story?

So what we know so far...

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If we assume that all the named characters in the intro and writeups are unique roles then we have:

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That means 8 - 10 special roles including mafia, right?

so 7-9 special roles spread amongst the remaining 16 players if my math/reasoning is right...