Selfdefense laws

**gaelic cowboy** · 10-22-2010, 19:28

Originally Posted by AntiKingWarmanCake88

But my main problem is this. If a person defends themselves, then they are consider a monster by some, espcally if they kill the aggressor. But if the victim dies, they are a hero! Because god forbid we don't do everything ''civilly''.

Your thoughts?

People are always going to disagree with your reasoning on some issues why would you find it strange they disagree on this point.

Context my good man context is the key you give us no context and so we must make our own assumption therefore we will differing opinions.

**Husar** · 10-23-2010, 00:23

If you kill cute rabbits ur a monster and I doubt it really wanted to eat you!

**Megas Methuselah** · 10-23-2010, 06:10

Who cares? I'd kill to protect me and mine. You gotta stand up and be a man, buddy.

The law won't protect you, trust me. Especially if you're a minority.

**rory_20_uk** · 10-23-2010, 10:47

The UK has made some baby steps recently to give more power to self defence, but I think it's an area of law where legislating is not really workable as there are so many nigh on indefinable variables to try to take into account.

**Husar** · 10-23-2010, 12:42

pff, just invite someone over, kill them, kick in your own door, scratch yourself with their nails, punch yourself with their fist, then claim self defense, that's why everyone claiming self defense should be tried for murder.
Also self defense doesn't work once the bullet is already in your head so you're not going to defend yourself against me anyway. It's a useless construct, if someone holds a knife to your throat, threaten to call the police, if you try to fight, your throat will get cut.
Preemptive strikes, now that should be allowed, if I walk through the city at night and some shady youths come along and I'm afraid, i should be allowed to gun them scary ****** down.

**gaelic cowboy** · 10-23-2010, 12:57

A member of the Gardai once told me to put the first barrel of the shotgun into the robber and the second into the ceiling of the house and maintain you had given them a warning shot.

**Fragony** · 10-23-2010, 14:53

Over here some policemen (if they like you) will actually advice (of the record) to mess someone up good and not to call them next time, since you will be mauled by the machine just like they are when they use violence, no kidding. Soft doctors leave stinking wounds as we say here, police advising you to break the law, it's kinda hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

**Odin** · 10-25-2010, 19:03

Originally Posted by Husar

pff, just invite someone over, kill them, kick in your own door, scratch yourself with their nails, punch yourself with their fist, then claim self defense, that's why everyone claiming self defense should be tried for murder.
Also self defense doesn't work once the bullet is already in your head so you're not going to defend yourself against me anyway. It's a useless construct, if someone holds a knife to your throat, threaten to call the police, if you try to fight, your throat will get cut.
Preemptive strikes, now that should be allowed, if I walk through the city at night and some shady youths come along and I'm afraid, i should be allowed to gun them scary ****** down.

First, Im all for preemptive strikes, second I'd like to formally invite you over.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 10-25-2010, 19:18

Husar:

Such as you describe could happen if the death were not properly investigated. While I am a strong proponent of "castle laws" and more supportive than most of the use of violence in defense of one's property, even I would expect such an incident to be investigated to ensure that no such subterfuge was in play.

Frags:

Some level of police service is a necessity, not a luxury. Even if you believe that everyone should take care of themselve in terms of crime prevention on a personal level, some form of investigative arm is necessary for other crimes and criminal conspiracies as the individual lacks the necessary resources to defend themselves on this level. The "Old West" of the USA relied very heavily on personal defense and community self protection for violent crime etc., and this worked surprisingly well despite the movie romanticization of all of the violence. On the other hand, forgery was rampant until the Secret Service started getting up to speed and too many career criminals evaded justice in the absence of the FBI. The is a role for government sponsored policing.