Selfdefense laws

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

After a incident today I just had not even half a hour ago where I may have had to invoke these laws to defend myself and my mother, I got thinking about something when I was reading the self-defense laws for Pennsylvania and the nation in general.

But my main problem is this. If a person defends themselves, then they are consider a monster by some, espcally if they kill the aggressor. But if the victim dies, they are a hero! Because god forbid we don't do everything ''civilly''.

Your thoughts?

[Strike For The South]

Crack skulls don't aplogize

[PanzerJaeger]

Don't ever draw unless you're prepared to shoot...

[gaelic cowboy]

But my main problem is this. If a person defends themselves, then they are consider a monster by some, espcally if they kill the aggressor. But if the victim dies, they are a hero! Because god forbid we don't do everything ''civilly''.

Your thoughts?

People are always going to disagree with your reasoning on some issues why would you find it strange they disagree on this point.

Context my good man context is the key you give us no context and so we must make our own assumption therefore we will differing opinions.

[Husar]

If you kill cute rabbits ur a monster and I doubt it really wanted to eat you!

[Megas Methuselah]

Who cares? I'd kill to protect me and mine. You gotta stand up and be a man, buddy.

The law won't protect you, trust me. Especially if you're a minority.

[rory_20_uk]

The UK has made some baby steps recently to give more power to self defence, but I think it's an area of law where legislating is not really workable as there are so many nigh on indefinable variables to try to take into account.

[Husar]

pff, just invite someone over, kill them, kick in your own door, scratch yourself with their nails, punch yourself with their fist, then claim self defense, that's why everyone claiming self defense should be tried for murder.
Also self defense doesn't work once the bullet is already in your head so you're not going to defend yourself against me anyway. It's a useless construct, if someone holds a knife to your throat, threaten to call the police, if you try to fight, your throat will get cut.
Preemptive strikes, now that should be allowed, if I walk through the city at night and some shady youths come along and I'm afraid, i should be allowed to gun them scary ****** down.

[gaelic cowboy]

A member of the Gardai once told me to put the first barrel of the shotgun into the robber and the second into the ceiling of the house and maintain you had given them a warning shot.

[Fragony]

Over here some policemen (if they like you) will actually advice (of the record) to mess someone up good and not to call them next time, since you will be mauled by the machine just like they are when they use violence, no kidding. Soft doctors leave stinking wounds as we say here, police advising you to break the law, it's kinda hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

[gaelic cowboy]

Guy rings the Gardai station to tell them there is a burglar in his backgarden trying to get into the house they tell him to sit tight lock doors and windows and they will be there in twenty minutes as no one is nearby to respond.

Guy hangs up the phone then rings the station a few minutes later it's ok I shot that fella send an ambulance instead.

Three minutes later a full swat team, ambulance and several squad cars arrive fully loaded with police and paramedics to find the burglar still trying to get into the house very much alive "I thought you said you shot him wasting police time is a crime you know" says the caller "Oh really I thought you said no one was available"

[Fragony]

Something to say in their defence in that one, but I still think the police should be dismantled altogether.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Who cares? I'd kill to protect me and mine. You gotta stand up and be a man, buddy.

The law won't protect you, trust me. Especially if you're a minority.

I understand and know that buddy but I don't want to o to jail defending myself though.

People are always going to disagree with your reasoning on some issues why would you find it strange they disagree on this point.

Context my good man context is the key you give us no context and so we must make our own assumption therefore we will differing opinions.

Road rage. Long story short in case you are wondering a guy box me and my mother in at the drive thru at a fast food place and he started to shout words I'm not allow to say here then started to get out of the car and look like he was reaching for something, so I return in kind and started to get out, but he sat down and speed off.

[Odin]

pff, just invite someone over, kill them, kick in your own door, scratch yourself with their nails, punch yourself with their fist, then claim self defense, that's why everyone claiming self defense should be tried for murder.
Also self defense doesn't work once the bullet is already in your head so you're not going to defend yourself against me anyway. It's a useless construct, if someone holds a knife to your throat, threaten to call the police, if you try to fight, your throat will get cut.
Preemptive strikes, now that should be allowed, if I walk through the city at night and some shady youths come along and I'm afraid, i should be allowed to gun them scary ****** down.

First, Im all for preemptive strikes, second I'd like to formally invite you over.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Husar:

Such as you describe could happen if the death were not properly investigated. While I am a strong proponent of "castle laws" and more supportive than most of the use of violence in defense of one's property, even I would expect such an incident to be investigated to ensure that no such subterfuge was in play.

Frags:

Some level of police service is a necessity, not a luxury. Even if you believe that everyone should take care of themselve in terms of crime prevention on a personal level, some form of investigative arm is necessary for other crimes and criminal conspiracies as the individual lacks the necessary resources to defend themselves on this level. The "Old West" of the USA relied very heavily on personal defense and community self protection for violent crime etc., and this worked surprisingly well despite the movie romanticization of all of the violence. On the other hand, forgery was rampant until the Secret Service started getting up to speed and too many career criminals evaded justice in the absence of the FBI. The is a role for government sponsored policing.

[Fragony]

I opened a thread with some brainstorming on how to disband the police in favour of privitized security two weeks back or so, easily spotted by title. I found none of the arguments against it very convincing, which is odd with such a radical proposition. I like taking things to the extreme and usually reluctantly agree with the opposition after being butchered, but this can be totally done imho.

[Rahwana]

I don't understand why all the westerners are nuts with minimizing violence, and has all the unmanly laws that require you to "not retaliate with excessive measures"

Here, in Indonesia, I bet we had lesser rate of crimes, much less rate of crimes, because the only thing that was banned for carrying here was assault rifles and submachine guns. Handguns are rare, but if you didn't have criminal record (and had a lot of money), the permit is rather easy to get. Afterall, guys here are quite common to carry a dagger or some sort of bladed weapons for personal use.

*. and if you stab some pickpocket who try to stole your wallet, you are free here... even the mass will help you to burn the criminal.