SHOCK: Most US Troops, Families Say Gays OK

[Lemur]

I just don't think gays have some sort of 'right' to join the military, nobody does, it's not about rights since it's not part of the political sphere (at least not in the Anglo-sphere tradition).

Well, of course nobody hasa "right" to serve in the military, but I think approaching it from that angle confuses rather than clarifies. Who said anything about rights in the first place? The point, rather, is that there is a small but maeningful population of people who would like to fight and die for their country, and there is no compelling or logical reason to deny them the opportunity. I guess you can make it a rights issue, but I don't see how that makes things clearer or easier to discuss.

Heck, if people decided they didn't want gingers in the army, I wouldn't complain

That's different. Gingers have no souls.