SHOCK: Most US Troops, Families Say Gays OK

[Tellos Athenaios]

Why would you have such a right regarding the military, as a non-political institution?

It is part of executive government or at least falls under the (direct) command of it. How can it be non-political?

[gaelic cowboy]

Two pages and still no one said the most obvious thing the ONLY thing they should ask when recruiting you is

Do you love your country?
Do you wish to serve in X army
Will you serve ......
etc etc etc

There job is to protect all the citizens regardless of there own personal views they are there to take and recieve orders and implement them in a timely fashion

basically this can be paraphrased by this

Pogue Colonel: Don't you love your country?
Private Joker: Yes, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
Private Joker: Yes, sir.
Pogue Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.
Private Joker: Aye-aye, sir.

[HoreTore]

JUST Y'ALL WAIT 'TIL THE GAYS START TO RECRUITE YOUR SONS THEN LETS SEE HOW ENLIGHTENED YOU ARE

Yes, homosexuality is a choice.

Which would mean that all conservative christians can get a boner from watching gay porn.....

[Louis VI the Fat]

Founder of a big church comes out as gay...to help stop suicides by gay teens:
http://www.wsbtv.com/video/25570047/index.html

CR

It remains astonishing. Pretty much the entire modern US anti-gay movement was/is ran by confused, guilt-ridden gays.

A call for family values most often is really a cry for help by a man messed up by a society which denies him his sexuality.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It is part of executive government or at least falls under the (direct) command of it. How can it be non-political?

It is the responsibility of the commander-in-chief to ensure it remains non-political, otherwise he could use it for all sorts of his own ends.

It's kind of like the relationship the Church of Scotland has with the Queen as head of state - although it has established status, the church/state are still forbidden from interfering with each others affairs.

It remains astonishing. Pretty much the entire modern US anti-gay movement was/is ran by confused, guilt-ridden gays.

Yeah it's got to the point where there's a clear trend and it can't be denied... still, I think this is some sort of weird US cultural thing though, never noticed the same thing this side of the water.

[Tellos Athenaios]

It is the responsibility of the commander-in-chief to ensure it remains non-political, otherwise he could use it for all sorts of his own ends.

Uhm it's nothing like a Church of Scotland at all. Civil control over the military and all that? It is political. Formally, at least the military is accountable to Congress in the USA as is the President. Which is why Congress will be involved in the first place: otherwise Obama could simply tell his army staff to “make it so”.

[gaelic cowboy]

Yeah it's got to the point where there's a clear trend and it can't be denied... still, I think this is some sort of weird US cultural thing though, never noticed the same thing this side of the water.

Think about it for a minute we know in a rough generic sense that gays are more attracted to more academic pursuits the Church in whatever form is most deffo academic.

Then they tend to come from areas where few opportunities exist to express there sexuality like in Ireland the Church here is full of gays and many of them probably never even copped they were gay.

Lastly self hate leads down some funny roads and I guess all three came together in the US anti-gay movement.

[Strike For The South]

JUST Y'ALL WAIT 'TIL THE GAYS START TO RECRUITE YOUR SONS THEN LETS SEE HOW ENLIGHTENED YOU ARE

+1.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Uhm it's nothing like a Church of Scotland at all. Civil control over the military and all that? It is political. Formally, at least the military is accountable to Congress in the USA as is the President. Which is why Congress will be involved in the first place: otherwise Obama could simply tell his army staff to “make it so”.

The military is accountable to Congress in terms of how it performs its role and its external actions etc... that does not mean that Congress has direct control over how the military organises itself. This is a crucial aspect of the whole checks and balances thing.

[Tellos Athenaios]

The military is accountable to Congress in terms of how it performs its role and its external actions etc... that does not mean that Congress has direct control over how the military organises itself. This is a crucial aspect of the whole checks and balances thing.

Its external actions. Including but not limited to treatment of US citizens, even if those citizens also happen to be soldiers. It's really simple: Congress makes a law that says the military men should wear pink uniforms on Fridays then if it gets passed and is not challenged/overturned before court the military will have no choice but to wear pink uniforms on Fridays.

Essentially the military is *not* an independent body. It is much more like a person with all sorts of electrodes inserted into his/her brain and Congress manning the switches.