Worst Grey Death ever!

**Blxz** · 11-03-2010, 13:25

Originally Posted by Andy1984

Which gives me an idea: If I add +30 or even +50% law to a Roman building, the Romans should be able to build the empire they deserve when I'm playing the Arche. And vice versa of course.

Well I have done some testing with a few new games and it seems that the AS benefits the most from law bonuses becasue their empire is very wide and without any corruption AT ALL they have a sickenly high income. On top of that they don't need to garrison their towns and so can move their entire starting army into battles so they gain a head start. And then the fact that every other nation is comparatively weaker because they don't gain the same benefit from the bonus means that a steamroll is likely to happen.

My only choice is to remove the bonus but that is most likely going to cause a total collapse of the AS empire due to bad garrisoning and inability to recruit new units until their finacials stabilise.

@Fluvius: I know where the save is, I have it ready to upload. BUT the file is ~3MB and this forum won't let me upload it through the attchment manager thingy. What else can I do?

**Fluvius Camillus** · 11-03-2010, 14:59

Originally Posted by Blxz

Well I have done some testing with a few new games and it seems that the AS benefits the most from law bonuses becasue their empire is very wide and without any corruption AT ALL they have a sickenly high income. On top of that they don't need to garrison their towns and so can move their entire starting army into battles so they gain a head start. And then the fact that every other nation is comparatively weaker because they don't gain the same benefit from the bonus means that a steamroll is likely to happen.

My only choice is to remove the bonus but that is most likely going to cause a total collapse of the AS empire due to bad garrisoning and inability to recruit new units until their finacials stabilise.

@Fluvius: I know where the save is, I have it ready to upload. BUT the file is ~3MB and this forum won't let me upload it through the attchment manager thingy. What else can I do?

And there we have a good old Seleucid civil war!

I present you mediafire! Free and easy, just make an account and I don't think I have to explain anything further.

They also have no long waiting times IIRC. Probably someone will come up with one which is better but mediafire works just fine for me.

~Fluvius

**Blxz** · 11-04-2010, 07:52

Thats evil Fluvius. I am sort of relishing the opportunity to have a real challenge for once. Fighting an AI empire that will never sleep and never rest or get tired of endless rounds of attacking. And people complain that the game is too easy without house rules...

Will upload the save when I get back to my other computer. Maybe a day or two.

**Andy1984** · 11-04-2010, 08:00

Originally Posted by Blxz

Well I have done some testing with a few new games and it seems that the AS benefits the most from law bonuses becasue their empire is very wide and without any corruption AT ALL they have a sickenly high income. On top of that they don't need to garrison their towns and so can move their entire starting army into battles so they gain a head start. And then the fact that every other nation is comparatively weaker because they don't gain the same benefit from the bonus means that a steamroll is likely to happen.

My only choice is to remove the bonus but that is most likely going to cause a total collapse of the AS empire due to bad garrisoning and inability to recruit new units until their finacials stabilise.

I guess you'll have to fight them. I'd be happy in a certain way after endless Ptolemaean empires, finally a Grey One.

Yours seems a reasonable explanation to me. Currently I'm on an AS-campaign. But when this one is finished (or when I get bored with it) I'm going Romani again. An AS law-boost of 30% is definitly what I'm looking for.

**Blxz** · 11-04-2010, 10:36

Originally Posted by Andy1984

I guess you'll have to fight them. I'd be happy in a certain way after endless Ptolemaean empires, finally a Grey One.

Yours seems a reasonable explanation to me. Currently I'm on an AS-campaign. But when this one is finished (or when I get bored with it) I'm going Romani again. An AS law-boost of 30% is definitly what I'm looking for.

Yes, except I didn't give them 30%.
It seems I have given them a 250% law bonus on every level of the core structure. In hindsight that appears to have been overkill.
If they take a town it stays taken, even if fully ungarrisoned.

**A_Dane** · 11-04-2010, 15:19

overkill? try gigantic-mega-über overkill xD holy shit, the AS/Ptollies (whoever wins) never breaks as it is s:

**Fluvius Camillus** · 11-04-2010, 15:47

Originally Posted by Blxz

Yes, except I didn't give them 30%.
It seems I have given them a 250% law bonus on every level of the core structure. In hindsight that appears to have been overkill.
If they take a town it stays taken, even if fully ungarrisoned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY_oKve-bH0

But really, it surprises me that they didn't conquer even more than this. I mean 250% thats sick! No civil war then, prepare for some hard fighting. Like Andy1984 said, it's good to have a Grey Death for once. Those Kleurochon Agema fullstacks that the Ptolemies send are just a nightmare...

**Andy1984** · 11-04-2010, 23:01

Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY_oKve-bH0

But really, it surprises me that they didn't conquer even more than this. I mean 250% thats sick! No civil war then, prepare for some hard fighting. Like Andy1984 said, it's good to have a Grey Death for once. Those Kleurochon Agema fullstacks that the Ptolemies send are just a nightmare...

In time they will conquer even more than this. Judging from distance-to-capital penalties, I guess they've used about 100 or 150% of the law bonusses they have. (The AS starts of with a happiness of 40% or so in her faraway outposts...) Considering (1) they have a 250% bonus and (2) distance-to-capital is capped at 100%, they will expand even further. It might take a while before the AI finally develops the necessary infrastructure and before it solves the path-finding of lost armies somewhere on the Arabian peninsula, but I don't doubt there'll be more grey expansion. The only way for the Arche not to subdue her AI-neighbours is to have more armies wandering through her core provinces, therebye undercutting her massive income. But even such stupidity could be nothing but partial and temporary.

Anyway: A huge LOL towards the 250% bonus. And a cheer towards this AS. I like it.

**Marcus Darkstar** · 11-13-2010, 04:29

I wonder if hteres a command on the console to give said spies the plague. I found it being very good crippling the Germans in my Roman campaign when i found a natural outbreak of plague in Gual (due to overpopulation) and spread it across the German provinces for a few decades.

**Unintended BM** · 11-13-2010, 05:40

There was a picture in one of either the EB empire thread or the AI progression thread where the AI ptolemies conquered from India to the Atlantic side of Africa. I guess if the AI gets lucky in a few battles, then they pretty much dominate everything. Especially phalanx heavy factions, it would seem.