Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[naut]

While I agree with your sentiments TinCow. I really have to go with my gut and vote: Seon again. Something in his posts just vibes my body out, like elastic in a microwave.

[naut]

pevergreen. You are a Force Ghost, you can vote. Your vote maybe will still be important over the rest of the game. So vote!!!

[Joooray]

How were the investigations results handled in the last game? Was it a random error or were there any active powers that could alter investigation results?

I apologize for the lynch...

That's all you have to say about that? Mind telling us what happened from your perspective?

I find both cases by TC appealing, but I don't personally know if you can hold the plea-thread against Ignoramus, as I do not know his normal behaviour, so I'll Vote: YLC to keep those two under similar scrutiny.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Rebel Jeb

I don't think you are guilty, but as Joooray said you are going to need to give us more than a one line apology after being the catalyst of the lynch of a player like TinCow.

[Rebel Jeb]

That's all you have to say about that? Mind telling us what happened from your perspective?

My scan allows me to scan to see if the person can be recruited or not to the dark side. But in addition, there is always a sentence at the end. When I scanned Sasaki on N1, it came back saying that he was unable to be recruited, and that I sensed the light side in him. On N2, it came back saying that TinCow was able to be recruited, and I suspected that the dark side was in him. I figured this meant he was sith, apparently it means he MAY be sith.

I got the same reply as the TinCow one for last night's scan...I don't know if we should act on it though...

[naut]

My scan allows me to scan to see if the person can be recruited or not to the dark side.

Why? Doesn't sound like a Jedi power IMHO.

[johnhughthom]

unvote: Rebel Jeb

You are out in the open now Jeb, if you don't post your results you won't be able to make them public if you are night killed. They may help the Sith/unknown others recruit however.

[Seon]

While I agree with your sentiments TinCow. I really have to go with my gut and vote: Seon again. Something in his posts just vibes my body out, like elastic in a microwave.

You mean, like, all the time? :D

[Andres]

My scan allows me to scan to see if the person can be recruited or not to the dark side. But in addition, there is always a sentence at the end. When I scanned Sasaki on N1, it came back saying that he was unable to be recruited, and that I sensed the light side in him. On N2, it came back saying that TinCow was able to be recruited, and I suspected that the dark side was in him. I figured this meant he was sith, apparently it means he MAY be sith.

I got the same reply as the TinCow one for last night's scan...I don't know if we should act on it though...

Spill the beans, Jeb, or I'll switch my vote to you.

Allthough I still believe you're pretty much likely to be innocent for reasons stated before, you can't expect people to just let you off the hook like that. For all we know, you're a very ballsy player who might try this type of stunt to ensure survival until endgame. Talk now and get cleared, or you'll remain a distraction for the rest of the game who ends up lynched sooner or later.

[naut]

You mean, like, all the time? :D

I got the same reply as the TinCow one for last night's scan...I don't know if we should act on it though...

Well, there are no doubt role-blockers out there, if you post your results then they can act on them.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Spill the beans, Jeb, or I'll switch my vote to you.

Allthough I still believe you're pretty much likely to be innocent for reasons stated before, you can't expect people to just let you off the hook like that. For all we know, you're a very ballsy player who might try this type of stunt to ensure survival until endgame. Talk now and get cleared, or you'll remain a distraction for the rest of the game who ends up lynched sooner or later.

What???

[Askthepizzaguy]

update: almost done with the Jedi Knights.

Next are padawan results. Sorry this is taking so long, I have about 2+ hours of this stuff I have to do today. It is not a pleasant day for the game host.

If you're sending me private messages, now might not be the best time, so.... wait?

[Seon]

Spill the beans, Jeb, or I'll switch my vote to you.

Allthough I still believe you're pretty much likely to be innocent for reasons stated before, you can't expect people to just let you off the hook like that. For all we know, you're a very ballsy player who might try this type of stunt to ensure survival until endgame. Talk now and get cleared, or you'll remain a distraction for the rest of the game who ends up lynched sooner or later.

FoS: Andres

[Andres]

What???

I have information that I wish to compare to Jeb's info; that is all.

[Renata]

NO, NO NONONONONONONONONO don't reveal if someone can be recruited or not.

[Andres]

FoS: Andres

There's no reason to fos me as it is perfectly reasonable to question Jeb. It would be foolish to just let him go that easily.

[Renata]

Andres you'd better have a good reason. You know better than that.

[Seon]

Maybe, but it is also foolish to reveal who can be recruited in the PUBLIC thread.

[Andres]

PM, not public.

You'll have to trust me.

[Renata]

More specifically --

Jeb should reveal his results, *in private* to someone he's scanned as not recruitable, but even that only if he's pretty sure that person is a townie. He should not state them in public -- that only helps the Sith. If they have to choose their recruits rather than it being automatic like last game, then Jeb's power makes sense, but it makes as much sense for the Sith as for a townie, unfortunately.

[Death is yonder]

Hmm... detective reveals at 4am my time >:(

On the other hand, echoing what Andres has said, you need to explain and elaborate further Jeb. Typically the very nature of the role you have is normally a mafia ability, you need to explain yourself.

Let me get this straight:

1. You claim to be a role that determines susceptibility of characters to the dark side
2. You investigated Tincow and found a result that indicated possible darkside-ness
3. You interpreted it as him ACTUALLY being sith
4. We lynched him

I figured this meant he was sith, apparently it means he MAY be sith.

And you figured this only now despite knowing the very nature of your role

It sounds odd, you need to explain further why you thought you're results indicated a direct proof of guilt when you know your role only determines susceptibility

However, I will concede that it will be a highly ridiculous move to have outed Tincow and place this risk to yourself especially since he was an initiate. It is either a huge gamble or a genuine mistake, I'm inclined to believe the latter but I still want an explanation of the above.

Rebel Jeb doesn't strike me particularly guilty yet. Therefore, Tincow's logic is sound.

Curious statement Seon, any reason why you have ignored the other suspect since Tincow's logic is sound?

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In the meantime, Tincow's posts carry some merit in them, and we lose nothing exploring reasoning from someone who is impossibly sith and has been known for good analysis.

Vote: YLC

I believe the charges against him carry more implications of possible evil-doings than that of Ignoramus due to Tincow's stated interpretations of his actions.

You'll have to trust me.

[Seon]

PM, not public.

You'll have to trust me.

Yeah, because you walking around in the night and shoving a lava lamp to somebody's throat to....ask about the muffin man... is a good indication that you aren't a sith. Even if it is, it is possible that you may have been recruited.

[Renata]

FOS JHT and Psychonaut, both of whom should also know better.

[Seon]

Curious statement Seon, any reason why you have ignored the other suspect since Tincow's logic is sound?

Because I'm INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE.

But seriously though, I didn't have any other suspect in mind.

[Death is yonder]

Jeb should reveal his results, *in private* to someone he's scanned as not recruitable

Just a thought, do you think it is possible that lets say Jeb's ability is truly that, and he scans one of the original siths, lets say the sith lord or whoever is in charge. Since the sith is already a sith, and has been a sith, wouldn't it be possible to say that this sith character would be scanned as non-recruitable since he already started off as one?



It would present a problem, but I admit the chances of that is low if the problem exists at all.

Maybe I'm just delving too much into technicality but it never hurts to ask I guess

Edit: Alternatively if this exists, upon some thinking, I guess the problem could be solved if he reveals it to someone who he has scanned non-recruitable and has been attacked at night by a sith (like pever).

[naut]

FOS JHT and Psychonaut, both of whom should also know better.

Yes, indeed. The moment you posted:

NO, NO NONONONONONONONONO don't reveal if someone can be recruited or not.

I had HORRIFIC Vietnam style flashbacks of Lylat Wars.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please keep an eye on the language folks. Read the gameroom rules which are posted for all to see if you need a refresher.

I am far, far too busy to be editing out such words.

[Andres]

I know for a fact that at least one Light Side Jedi Master has the power to scan people and learn if they are recruitable or not. So no, having the ability doesn't mean somebody is scum. Also, Jeb, you don't have to reveal to me. If the Sith have the same power, comparing your results to the ones I know, wouldn't help in clearing you; as the results the Sith get are probably similar as the ones Jedi Masters with the same ability get.

Meh. I think Jeb is innocent, given that he came out in the open so early in the game.

Let's look closer into Ignoramus and YLC. Sorry for being a distraction

[johnhughthom]

FOS JHT and Psychonaut, both of whom should also know better.

if you don't post your results you won't be able to make them public if you are night killed. They may help the Sith/unknown others recruit however.

[Renata]

Just a thought, do you think it is possible that lets say Jeb's ability is truly that, and he scans one of the original siths, lets say the sith lord or whoever is in charge. Since the sith is already a sith, and has been a sith, wouldn't it be possible to say that this sith character would be scanned as non-recruitable since he already started off as one?

Yes, that's what I'd expect. The "you sense the light in him" part might protect against that for lower-ranked sorts who have no investigation protection, though. Maybe in that case Jeb would get "he's not susceptible, but you sense the Dark Side" -- maybe it's the contradiction that would be the tipoff for him. I'm not sure -- it's all speculation on previous games.

It would present a problem, but I admit the chances of that is low if the problem exists at all.

Maybe I'm just delving too much into technicality but it never hurts to ask I guess

Edit: Alternatively if this exists, upon some thinking, I guess the problem could be solved if he reveals it to someone who he has scanned non-recruitable and has been attacked at night by a sith (like pever).

pever's dead, unfortunately, and so is Arpeg (who was attacked by *someone*, anyway). I don't know that there are any other candidates.

I kind of agree that the risk is fairly low he's managed to scan a Sith who came up as nonrecruitable and full of the light side, so this is probably just paranoia. No public reveals,though!