Cuter Than Palin

[HoreTore]

i never read the book :P have no intentions either... i wouldnt dismiss angels as fairy tale creatures only because you and i dont believe in them... oh well.. cant be bothered to defend her :P call her a loon all you want to but the pictures ive seen of her... she looked pretty beautiful on them XD

There is no such thing as an "angel" and it's impossible to talk to dead people.

End of story.

The ones who believe they can are either insane or con-artists and belong in either a mental hospital or jail.

[Beskar]

There is no such thing as an "angel" and it's impossible to talk to dead people.

End of story.

The ones who believe they can are either insane or con-artists and belong in either a mental hospital or jail.

Hear hear!

[The Stranger]

There is no such thing as an "angel" and it's impossible to talk to dead people.

End of story.

The ones who believe they can are either insane or con-artists and belong in either a mental hospital or jail.

what makes you so certain that there are none. because billions of people before you have believed otherwise

and dont even dare to make a scientific claim or analogy because this is not a scientific matter, this is a bout a truth or non-truth science can make no claim about that is more or less true than any other

[Fragony]

.....are you accusing the stock exchange of favouring feminism....?

No I accuse feminists of claiming said succes.

[HoreTore]

what makes you so certain that there are none. because billions of people before you have believed otherwise

and dont even dare to make a scientific claim or analogy because this is not a scientific matter, this is a bout a truth or non-truth science can make no claim about that is more or less true than any other

"Billions of people" before me have also believed a cat crossing the street before you or breaking a mirror means bad luck.

In short: dead people are dead and angels are the delusions of the insane.

No I accuse feminists of claiming said succes.

The ones who published the numbers and came with the obvious conclusion were not feminists, frags, but rather economists working for a financial institution(they're big on statistics you know).

[Fragony]

Yeah yeah, conclusion on demand, easy to credit economic growth to giraffes dancing the flamingo if you try hard enough.

[The Stranger]

"Billions of people" before me have also believed a cat crossing the street before you or breaking a mirror means bad luck.

so nothing here makes it clear that they were wrong. you just state a fact you dont give any arguments about why they werent right. and like i said, science wont do here. you have to beat them on their own turf.

with such a line of reasoning you might as well say

angels dont exist because this morning i had breakfast.



or to make a better one


what you say now is wrong because something entirely else you said before was also wrong.

[Rhyfelwyr]

"Billions of people" before me have also believed a cat crossing the street before you or breaking a mirror means bad luck.

I'm a bit skeptical of just how superstitious people were on the past. Just because they had their good/bad luck things doesn't mean they really took them seriously, I remember something about this on the BBC and a lot of people today still won't walk under a ladder if they can avoid it. Doesn't mean they take it too seriously, just one of these things, I have a feeling people in the past were the same.

[gaelic cowboy]

I'm a bit skeptical of just how superstitious people were on the past. Just because they had their good/bad luck things doesn't mean they really took them seriously, I remember something about this on the BBC and a lot of people today still won't walk under a ladder if they can avoid it. Doesn't mean they take it too seriously, just one of these things, I have a feeling people in the past were the same.

These things die hard Rhy I know people who are still a bit afraid to interfere with what people colloquially call a fairy fort usually just an ancient burial cairn.

[Husar]

There is no such thing as an "angel" and it's impossible to talk to dead people.

End of story.

The ones who believe they can are either insane or con-artists and belong in either a mental hospital or jail.

You're such an angel...

[Louis VI the Fat]

There is no such thing as an "angel" and it's impossible to talk to dead people.

End of story.

The ones who believe they can are either insane or con-artists and belong in either a mental hospital or jail.

There are others:

The berieved, who in their grieving despair want to believe it all makes sense, serves some sort of purpose.
Those who are left behind, with unfinished business with the deceased, whom they 'talk to'.
The lonely, the abandoned, the wretched, who still want believe in something.

Some really do believe, Some believe, but know deep down it is not real, but have to cling on to it for consolation. They don't all belong in a mental hospital. Of all the nasty things people do, should it be a poor widower who talks to her deceased husband who should be send to a mental institution?

[HoreTore]

There are others:

The berieved, who in their grieving despair want to believe it all makes sense, serves some sort of purpose.
Those who are left behind, with unfinished business with the deceased, whom they 'talk to'.
The lonely, the abandoned, the wretched, who still want believe in something.

Some really do believe, Some believe, but know deep down it is not real, but have to cling on to it for consolation. They don't all belong in a mental hospital. Of all the nasty things people do, should it be a poor widower who talks to her deceased husband who should be send to a mental institution?

Like they say on South Park:

"When you die, don't you rather want real peace than float around talking to this hole?"

[Beskar]

I remember something about this on the BBC and a lot of people today still won't walk under a ladder if they can avoid it.

Well, that is because people don't want objects dropped on their head, or the ladder to collapse on them.

[HoreTore]

Well, that is because people don't want objects dropped on their head, or the ladder to collapse on them.

Bingo!

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well, that is because people don't want objects dropped on their head, or the ladder to collapse on them.

No! Though who knows maybe that's where the superstition around these things came from.

I just doubt anybody really believed that a black cat was going to cause them bad luck.

[The Stranger]

doesnt matter horetore makes his truth and his contemporary truth into a universal and eternal truth. bad bad horetore... he cant stake the claims he makes. perhaps in 400 years the people will be laughing that we ever thought that it was true that angels didnt exist or that it was true that we cause global warming etc etc

[gaelic cowboy]

No! Though who knows maybe that's where the superstition around these things came from.

I just doubt anybody really believed that a black cat was going to cause them bad luck.

The ladder one is about not breaking a "Trinity" made from the ground the wall and the ladder.

[HoreTore]

doesnt matter horetore makes his truth and his contemporary truth into a universal and eternal truth. bad bad horetore... he cant stake the claims he makes. perhaps in 400 years the people will be laughing that we ever thought that it was true that angels didnt exist or that it was true that we cause global warming etc etc

Yes, because the people who believe in angels aren't making up their own truth.....................yes..............

But I guess logic goes out the window for some people when they reflect upon their faith... If they reflect upon it at all, that is.

EDIT: If someone said to you that Sauron was real and that his best friend was Gandalf, whom he talked to every day.... What would you call that?

[The Stranger]

nuts. XD

im not at all a believer btw i dunno if your second comment was aimed at me. and my logic is quite sharp. check the multiculti thread, i have the same debate with sasaki.

[HoreTore]

nuts. XD

....and how is it any different from believing in angels...?

im not at all a believer btw i dunno if your second comment was aimed at me. and my logic is quite sharp. check the multiculti thread, i have the same debate with sasaki.

The second comment was aimed at everyone who believes in angels and other fantasy creatures.

[The Stranger]

i was being sarcistic about my nuts.

but i think you overlook an area of truth and fulfillment and that you make scientific claims in areas where science has no jurisdiction.

you claim that angels do not exist but you cannot be sure about it. you cannot prove it scientifially. neither can they prove scientifically that they do exist. so you have to beat them at their own turf, locate the inconsistensies etc instead of just saying you are crazy because you believe in god and angels which is not an argument.

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i would tell the dude that that would be highly unlikely because if sauron and gandalf were real and they were like the book of tolkien describes than they would not be friends but enemies.

see, lokate inconsistency, aim and destroy!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I believe in angels, though I have never spoken to one (nor do I expect to do so).

Does she really hear angels talking? Unlikely, I think -- but I am not she. Yet it is far more comforting to hear someone believe in angels than in voices that urge destruction. Assisi seems truer to the spirit of things than does Arnaud-Amaury, at least to me.

[HoreTore]

i was being sarcistic about my nuts.

but i think you overlook an area of truth and fulfillment and that you make scientific claims in areas where science has no jurisdiction.

you claim that angels do not exist but you cannot be sure about it. you cannot prove it scientifially. neither can they prove scientifically that they do exist. so you have to beat them at their own turf, locate the inconsistensies etc instead of just saying you are crazy because you believe in god and angels which is not an argument.

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i would tell the dude that that would be highly unlikely because if sauron and gandalf were real and they were like the book of tolkien describes than they would not be friends but enemies.

see, lokate inconsistency, aim and destroy!

I never said he believed Sauron was his friend, did I?

And yes, i do attack the inconsistencies, why on earth would you think I don't? That was why I talked about logic, ya know. Some people just can't grasp that extremely low odds still means that something will happen from time to time. For example, if you think about someone, and unknown to you they fly above you that very instant, that is still a coincidence, it does not show that you have some otherworldly connection with that person. It was nothing but a coincidence.

But still, the burden of proof rests on the one who makes a claim, not the one who does not believe it.

I believe in angels, though I have never spoken to one (nor do I expect to do so).

Does she really hear angels talking? Unlikely, I think -- but I am not she. Yet it is far more comforting to hear someone believe in angels than in voices that urge destruction. Assisi seems truer to the spirit of things than does Arnaud-Amaury, at least to me.

She has started a school where you can learn to talk to angels, from which she is making plenty of cash. Which makes her a con artist, and no, that's not very comforting.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

... She has started a school where you can learn to talk to angels, from which she is making plenty of cash. Which makes her a con artist, and no, that's not very comforting.

I attend such a school most Sundays, though we do tend to teach that the responses will be more "indirect" than this woman's school likely teaches. Still, such teachings seem far less harmful to me than does the average Al Queda camp curriculum.

[Fragony]

I attend such a school most Sundays, though we do tend to teach that the responses will be more "indirect" than this woman's school likely teaches. Still, such teachings seem far less harmful to me than does the average Al Queda camp curriculum.

But certaily not less creepy imho. And just as dangerous. I'd speak my mind but I would really offend you.

[The Stranger]

I never said he believed Sauron was his friend, did I?

And yes, i do attack the inconsistencies, why on earth would you think I don't? That was why I talked about logic, ya know. Some people just can't grasp that extremely low odds still means that something will happen from time to time. For example, if you think about someone, and unknown to you they fly above you that very instant, that is still a coincidence, it does not show that you have some otherworldly connection with that person. It was nothing but a coincidence.

But still, the burden of proof rests on the one who makes a claim, not the one who does not believe it.

cmon horetore you can do better than this.

1) lets assume that the burden of proof lays with the one that makes the claim this doesnt mean that the one who doesnt believe in it has no obligation to back his statements up with arguments. all i have seen you do so far is this: i dont believe in angels so everyone who does believe in angels is nuts. this is just dogmatic.

2) you also make a claim, many, but lets take this claim: For example, if you think about someone, and unknown to you they fly above you that very instant, that is still a coincidence, it does not show that you have some otherworldly connection with that person. It was nothing but a coincidence.

how can you be so certain that this is a coincidence. im not saying that it is not. and indeed it doesnt show that you have a otherworldly connection with that person, but it doesnt rule it out either. neither does it show that it was coincidence and at the same time it doesnt rule it out either.

again you just dismiss their case in favor of yours without showing why their arguments are flawed.

She has started a school where you can learn to talk to angels, from which she is making plenty of cash. Which makes her a con artist, and no, that's not very comforting.

it would make her a con artist if what she tries is either impossible or she is being a fraud. have you attended one of these classes (with an open mind) and tried to see for yourself?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

But certaily not less creepy imho. And just as dangerous. I'd speak my mind but I would really offend you.

I'd be less offended than you might believe, Frags. I spent most of my twenties and into my thirties as an agnostic, lapsed Catholic. I chose to return to the faith because I have the gift of belief DESPITE countervailing opinions -- but am well aware of the harshly critical views thereupon advanced by others.

Still, it is probably best that you refrain, as others might be offended and then I'd have to put my green hat on.

[Strike For The South]

I'd be less offended than you might believe, Frags. I spent most of my twenties and into my thirties as an agnostic, lapsed Catholic. I chose to return to the faith because I have the gift of belief DESPITE countervailing opinions -- but am well aware of the harshly critical views thereupon advanced by others.

Still, it is probably best that you refrain, as others might be offended and then I'd have to put my green hat on.

We're not so different you and I

Sunday school is more about connecting with the flock and finding Jesus through discussion. Even at my Southern Baptist good ol boy infused church, no one ever perpetuated the insanity that is attributed to Palin

There was also free breakfeast

[Fragony]

I'd be less offended than you might believe, Frags. I spent most of my twenties and into my thirties as an agnostic, lapsed Catholic. I chose to return to the faith because I have the gift of belief DESPITE countervailing opinions -- but am well aware of the harshly critical views thereupon advanced by others.

Still, it is probably best that you refrain, as others might be offended and then I'd have to put my green hat on.

Oh I won't, but Iike your take on things, same for Hryfrirremirklh ffs

[Louis VI the Fat]

We're not so different you and I

Sunday school is more about connecting with the flock and finding Jesus through discussion. Even at my Southern Baptist good ol boy infused church, no one ever perpetuated the insanity that is attributed to Palin

There was also free breakfeast

I've been to Sunday School. Once. It was in some small town in North Carolina, so I assume it was Southern Baptist, but I don't remember. Certainly not Catholic. I was sixteen, staying with some people. They asked me to go to Sunday School. They felt it their duty to at least inform their guests of the Lord, tell them that the only saviour is through the Lord.

As their guest, I naturally complied. Also, most of their bedsheets had two suspicious holes in them and I was but a scared, isolated Catholic boy...

I didn't understand the half of what they said in school, and failed to pay much attention to the other half as I got bored after a while. It was hot, it was all in English which I hadn't really mastered yet, it was a regular Sunday so they discussed something too detailed to be of interest to the mostly uninterested outsider. They didn't even call you forward for a little little snack and some wine like they do in a decent church.


They were good people though. All of them. A lovely afternoon well spend.