Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

Don't try and lynch Iggy again, since I think he might be telling the truth. Look for someone who is just doing enough in the game and that is a likely Sith, so that he does not need to be active enough to be suspicious. FOS: Cecil XIX.

Cecil is fine. I checked him out the night before I died.

[Andres]

I missed a few days. Can somebody tell me why the self confirmed killer Joooray can keep doing what he's doing without being under suspicion? Are we sure he isn't Sith? Or did I miss something?

[Joooray]

I missed a few days. Can somebody tell me why the self confirmed killer Joooray can keep doing what he's doing without being under suspicion? Are we sure he isn't Sith? Or did I miss something?

I was under a lot of suspicion yesterday, but mainly because my interpretation of my result of an investigation on dcmort proved very wrong. But I also participated in his kill the night before last night, because I was certain he was Sith. Only through my simultaneous second investigation of dcmort while killing him, pizza gave me some hints to interpret my investigation results, which I posted in the thread during the last day.
Why I attacked Stuck in Pi last night, I have explained in my previous post.

Edit: Here is my post about the hints pizza gave me on how to interpret my results. Even if it won't save me from being lynched, may it help others to interpret their results when using Force Persuasion.

[Andres]

I was under a lot of suspicion yesterday, but mainly because my interpretation of my result of an investigation on dcmort proved very wrong. But I also participated in his kill the night before last night, because I was certain he was Sith. Only through my simultaneous second investigation of dcmort while killing him, pizza gave me some hints to interpret my investigation results, which I posted in the thread during the last day.
Why I attacked Stuck in Pi last night, I have explained in my previous post.

So, you're happily telling us who you killed and you claim that you can investigate the person you are killing?

Why investigating somebody you are killing, knowing that Pizza reveals the roles of the dead anyway? Why would you waste an investigation on dcmort if his role is going to be revealed by the host, because he'll be dead?

A self proclaimed "protown killer" who does an action that doesn't makes much sense and who is killing innocents... Something smells fishy here...

[Joooray]

So, you're happily telling us who you killed and you claim that you can investigate the person you are killing?

Why investigating somebody you are killing, knowing that Pizza reveals the roles of the dead anyway? Why would you waste an investigation on dcmort if his role is going to be revealed by the host, because he'll be dead?

A self proclaimed "protown killer" who does an action that doesn't makes much sense and who is killing innocents... Something smells fishy here...

This has all been answered yesterday. I am a Jedi Master, thus I am able to use two active abilities on the same person. As I have only one active vig kill ability and didn't want to waste the use of an ability and protecting dcmort while attacking him made even less sense, I investigated him, like I did with Stuck in Pi last night, as is also visible in the write-up. This being my second investigation on dcmort, apparently gave me some extra information on how to interpret my results.

Look at the Edit of my last post where I linked my post detailing the results I got from pizza.

[TinCow]

A self proclaimed "protown killer" who does an action that doesn't makes much sense and who is killing innocents... Something smells fishy here...

Do we know who killed Beskar yet (the first time)?

[Beefy187]

I missed a few days. Can somebody tell me why the self confirmed killer Joooray can keep doing what he's doing without being under suspicion? Are we sure he isn't Sith? Or did I miss something?

Even if we don't know if hes jedi or not, we can identify him from the kill description.
As long as he keeps on killing suspects its fine.

We should lynch other suspects... like...

Vote: Chaotix

[Andres]

Even if we don't know if hes jedi or not, we can identify him from the kill description.
As long as he keeps on killing suspects its fine.

We should lynch other suspects... like...

Vote: Chaotix

Was Stuck in Pi a suspect? What about Ignoramus? Is he no longer a suspect?

[pevergreen]

Do we know who killed Beskar yet (the first time)?

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

Put forward vig candidates if you want.

[TinCow]

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

Put forward vig candidates if you want.

I have not been paying close enough attention to name good vig targets, sorry. However, I advise intense scrutiny of the person who killed Beskar. Pro-town killers do not make random kills on night one. Period. It does not occur.

[Andres]

I have not been paying close enough attention to name good vig targets, sorry. However, I advise intense scrutiny of the person who killed Beskar. Pro-town killers do not make random kills on night one. Period. It does not occur.

I agree.

"Pro-town killer" is all too convenient to claim when you're scum.

[DELETE_THIS]

Unless there is new evidence, Vote: Ignoramus

[Andres]

Unless there is new evidence, Vote: Ignoramus

You've limited yourself to nothing more but short posts this game. It's starting to freak me out.

[DELETE_THIS]

You've limited yourself to nothing more but short posts this game. It's starting to freak me out.

I'll write a novel next time, ok?

[Andres]

I'll write a novel next time, ok?

What's the case against Ignoramus? Why is it better to lynch Ignoramus than to lynch Joooray? Do you have an opinion on other players?

[Beefy187]

Was Stuck in Pi a suspect? What about Ignoramus? Is he no longer a suspect?

Killing Stuck in Pi wasn't too bad. He wasn't active.
As for Ignoramus, I was under the impression that he was cleared? Or at least less suspected now.

[Renata]

vote: Ignoramus I think it's the best option.

[Renata]

Killing Stuck in Pi wasn't too bad. He wasn't active.
As for Ignoramus, I was under the impression that he was cleared? Or at least less suspected now.

Since when?

[Andres]

vote: Ignoramus I think it's the best option.

What better reasons do you have for lynching Ignoramus than the reasons there are for lynching Joooray (self proclaimed "pro town killer" who kills innocents).

Apart from Igno being unusual active in this game, are there other reasons to lynch him?

EDIT: and who killed Beskar N1? A "vigilante" killing N1 doesn't smell very pro-town to me. Sounds more like a SK role to me.

[Renata]

Ignoramus was unusually active -- until it started getting him heat, at which point he went all but silent. Until he was on the verge of being lynched.

He was too accepting of the possibility that TinCow was innocent.

He's a claimed Jedi Master and wasn't attacked last night (also applies to Joooray). Both are under enough suspicion that this is a very minor reason for voting either one.

Joooray -- are you really holding it against him at this point that he has only killed innocents? I know this site is not huge on vigs, comparatively speaking, but that's just silly. It's the reasoning that matters. Thus far, Joooray's reasoning holds up well enough for me for to let it ride a bit. As for the false accusation -- what reason to knowingly make such a spectacle of himself, if Joooray is Sith? It's either honest, or it's some sort of bizarre WIFOM, and I don't think it's possible to choose between those options at this point.

About Beskar's killer -- I'd like pever to ask this person his rationale for killing that night, and relay it to the rest of us.

[TinCow]

Joooray -- are you really holding it against him at this point that he has only killed innocents? I know this site is not huge on vigs, comparatively speaking, but that's just silly. It's the reasoning that matters.

There are a couple things that bug me about Joooray. First, Joooray's explanation for the investigation is acceptable, but it's also the same explanation Rebel Jeb gave, so it's curious that Joooray did not learn from Rebel Jeb's mistake. Ignoring or skimming the thread is odd behavior for a detective looking for suspects. I would have expected him to read Rebel Jeb's explanation of his investigation results closely, but apparently he didn't because he made the exact same mistake. Frankly, the results given by ATPG in both situation made me and dcmort both look pretty guilty, so I have trouble holding this against Joooray, but I also can't dismiss it completely.

Second, I don't like his reasoning for killing Stuck in Pi last night:

True, that was me killing Stuck in Pi. I did it as an attempt to appear elsewhere in the write-up, thus trying to proof that I can not be one of the killing Sith. I chose Stuck in Pi, because he wasn't participating at all and I didn't want to kill someone that was useful to the town.

He wasn't trying to kill a suspect or even to eliminate scum, he was just trying to save himself. His choice of target was designed to minimize damage to the town, but gave relatively little consideration to actively helping the town. For someone who is actively vigging, that seems a bit off. I'm not going to advocate for a lynch of Joooray at the moment, but he shouldn't be let off the hook just yet.

I recommend that today's focus be on Beskar's killer. Since his identitiy is apparently known to pever, that's an avenue that's worth pursuing at the moment.

[Renata]

There are a couple things that bug me about Joooray. First, Joooray's explanation for the investigation is acceptable, but it's also the same explanation Rebel Jeb gave, so it's curious that Joooray did not learn from Rebel Jeb's mistake.

It wasn't exactly the same explanation, was it? I thought Rebel Jeb's was an obvious-in-retrospect misunderstanding, while Joooray's was just plain wrong. Links? I do agree that Rebel Jeb's prior example makes it MUCH more plausible that a Sith might try a similar gambit, to sow confusion about investigations or whatever. It's still WIFOM, but it at least raises it into the realm of possibility.

Ignoring or skimming the thread is odd behavior for a detective looking for suspects. I would have expected him to read Rebel Jeb's explanation of his investigation results closely, but apparently he didn't because he made the exact same mistake. Frankly, the results given by ATPG in both situation made me and dcmort both look pretty guilty, so I have trouble holding this against Joooray, but I also can't dismiss it completely.

Again, do you have the links? (If not, I'll try to find them myself.) I agree this is potentially an important point, but I remembered it differently.

Second, I don't like his reasoning for killing Stuck in Pi last night:


He wasn't trying to kill a suspect or even to eliminate scum, he was just trying to save himself. His choice of target was designed to minimize damage to the town, but gave relatively little consideration to actively helping the town. For someone who is actively vigging, that seems a bit off. I'm not going to advocate for a lynch of Joooray at the moment, but he shouldn't be let off the hook just yet.

He gave the same thing as part of his defense the previous day (being seen to vig dcmort, hence he couldn't be one of the killing Sith). I agree that this feels a bit off.

I recommend that today's focus be on Beskar's killer. Since his identitiy is apparently known to pever, that's an avenue that's worth pursuing at the moment.

Is there any reason I've missed for Ignoramus to be off the hook, or are you just wanting there to be more than one thing going on?

[Andres]

He gave the same thing as part of his defense the previous day (being seen to vig dcmort, hence he couldn't be one of the killing Sith). I agree that this feels a bit off.

Running around and killing innocent Jedi at night is not "off". It's about the worst possible way to prove your innocence

"Please, ignore my red skin with black dots and my red lightsaber. I'm innocent! I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T. To prove it, I will now kill a Jedi during the night."

Lynch this clown already.

[pevergreen]

Not to mention it proves nothing. Top roles can perform 2 actions a night.

About Beskar's killer -- I'd like pever to ask this person his rationale for killing that night, and relay it to the rest of us.

It was actually only a lucky guess that decided to go after Beskar on Night 1.

Part of the reveal PM to me.

Regardless of his initial intentions, he is as close to town as he can be without being dead and revealed.

[Beskar]

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

So you are talking to the Sith again?

Or you are attempting to tell us, at all three kills last night were done by Jedi, and not Sith.

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Ignoramus

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

Put forward vig candidates if you want.

Sasaki Kojiro, Nictel and A Completely Inoffensive Name.

[Renata]

A lucky guess based on what? Random, or not random?

As for Joooray, it would actually be three actions: the regular Sith kill attempt (I don't believe any were missing, were they?), the investigation of Stuck in Pi (in the write-up pretty clearly; if ATPG is playing games with that I'll smack him), and the killing of Stuck in Pi. I wouldn't put it past the Sith leader to have three actions, for the record, though I'm less certain about two independent kills.

[Kagemusha]

Vote: Jooray. If you are getting people killed that come out as innocent and now also directly killing people who come out as townies. I think now is about the time to reveal your identity once you have been lynched.Then no one has to guess why are you causing this mess anymore.

[Beskar]

A lucky guess based on what? Random, or not random?

As for Joooray, it would actually be three actions: the regular Sith kill attempt (I don't believe any were missing, were they?), the investigation of Stuck in Pi (in the write-up pretty clearly; if ATPG is playing games with that I'll smack him), and the killing of Stuck in Pi. I wouldn't put it past the Sith leader to have three actions, for the record, though I'm less certain about two independent kills.

Well, three people died, two are 'confirmed Jedi' and there has been regular kills of 3-4.

Also, the Jedi do not kill. As stated in the last game by Sigurd, Jedi who kill get turned to the Darkside.

So either way, Joooray is a complete reliability for the town, as he is definitely on the dark side.

[Joooray]

There are a couple things that bug me about Joooray. First, Joooray's explanation for the investigation is acceptable, but it's also the same explanation Rebel Jeb gave, so it's curious that Joooray did not learn from Rebel Jeb's mistake. Ignoring or skimming the thread is odd behavior for a detective looking for suspects. I would have expected him to read Rebel Jeb's explanation of his investigation results closely, but apparently he didn't because he made the exact same mistake. Frankly, the results given by ATPG in both situation made me and dcmort both look pretty guilty, so I have trouble holding this against Joooray, but I also can't dismiss it completely.

I wasn't aware of the what Rebel Jeb's exact investigation results said. As far as I remember, he just claimed it said that you were Sith. Actually I was under the impression until pizza's clarification last day phase, that the investigation results could not be quoted directly, pever can back that up, because I always send him paraphrases of my first results.
My thought was that as I Jedi Master I would get more accurate results than a Jedi of lower rank. Also, the whole reason for investigating dcmort was, that he was accused of being extremely suspicious by a lot of people and when I got the result that matched that behaviour the way it did, I got carried away. Part of it was also, that pever was under some scrutiny for promoting Sigurd's lynch and I was hoping, that a successful lynch would restore some trust into him. pever posted some of my PM I send to him during that time, I expressed that feeling in those, too.

Anyway, I must say in hindsight, I should have been a lot more weary. Not only because of the Rebel Jeb fiasco, but also because this is after all a Askthepizzaguy-mafia-game and I should have figured it wouldn't be so easy to identify Sith. I'm really sorry for what happened and if you decide I should be lynched for it, that's okay, because it was pretty bad play on my side. However, I can be of good use to the town, as long as I survive, so you should consider that as well.

Second, I don't like his reasoning for killing Stuck in Pi last night:
He wasn't trying to kill a suspect or even to eliminate scum, he was just trying to save himself. His choice of target was designed to minimize damage to the town, but gave relatively little consideration to actively helping the town. For someone who is actively vigging, that seems a bit off. I'm not going to advocate for a lynch of Joooray at the moment, but he shouldn't be let off the hook just yet.

True, it was the easier option. But as far as I'm concerned the only real suspect, except for me, was Iggy and I think you wouldn't have looked too favourably on this either if he'd have turned out to actually be a Jedi Master. Also, I was not sure, and still am not, where the majority stands on whether to trust him or not, because his defence was pretty late during the last day phase and I didn't want to make this decision on my own. I choose Stuck in Pi, because he was already a replacement for that character, so this character was no help to the town so far whatsoever.