Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Whoa! I come back from a weekend away and find myself on a bandwagon again(surprise, surprise).

Jooray started this bandwagon on me in order to deflect suspicion. It's all too easy for him to get away with suspicious behaviour by playing the newbie card. Guys you are doing yourself a great disservice by lynching me, as you'll discover when my name is revealed. I am an important asset to the town, and a vote for me is a wasted vote this turn.

Vote: Jooray

I've just realised that it is Jarema, not Jooray, who is the newbie here. My apologies. You'll probably not believe me now(if you ever did), but it would be of no use lynching me. Why would you lynch someone who lost a duel to a vigilante?

I don't like revealing info if I don't have to - otherwise I'm a dead kill for the Sith.

I am. Thankfully, I have Force Breath, and so will survive the town's stupid bandwagon, but I'm a sitting duck now...

I doubt Nictel is Sith - I scanned him two nights ago and he did no activity that night.

But I do have my suspicions for Diana Abnoba - no evidence, but I am suspicious.

vote:Ignoramus

If anyone doesn't find the above set of posts scummy, they need help.

[TinCow]

Joooray's answers seem acceptable to me. I recommend leaving him alone unless new evidence about him surfaces. Unless we can get further info on the person who killed Beskar, I agree that Ignoramus is as good an option as we have at the moment.

[Joooray]

Running around and killing innocent Jedi at night is not "off". It's about the worst possible way to prove your innocence

"Please, ignore my red skin with black dots and my red lightsaber. I'm innocent! I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T. To prove it, I will now kill a Jedi during the night."

Lynch this clown already.

What other choice did I have to appear in the write-up last night? If I hadn't done it, you would be asking what I've been doing last night now. Sure I could have given you my investigation results, but they are easily faked and don't prove much, so it seemed like the way weaker defence.

As I said, I will refrain from killing in the future.

[Seon]

I don't know, Joooray's behavior as he killed Stuck in Pi seemed suspiscious...although probably not Sith Suspiscious, but more of a Dark Jedi suspiscious...

Vote: Ignoramus in any case.

[pevergreen]

What other choice did I have to appear in the write-up last night? If I hadn't done it, you would be asking what I've been doing last night now. Sure I could have given you my investigation results, but they are easily faked and don't prove much, so it seemed like the way weaker defence.

As I said, I will refrain from killing in the future.

Good. At least let me know if you are going to do anything, before you do it.

If you keep killing I will have you killed.

[autolycus]

vote:ignoramus. Nothing has changed from yesterday.

[Yaropolk]

8. WOGs will occur if a person does not vote 5 rounds in a row or never reads their role PM. Please, please don't make me WOG you. It won't be a pretty death.

This is round 9, so anyone who has not posted during round 4 or later is WOG bait
Round 4 closed on 11/03 Here are the most lurky posters

Name, Posts, My Comments
Jolt NOT A SINGLE POST after signup
Link 2, 10/23, 11/13 - more than a 5 round gap in the middle
civplayah 3, last post 10/27
remake20 3, last post after 11/03
wideyedwanderer 3, last post after 11/03
landlubber 4
Cecil XIX 4, cleared by Pever
Greyblades 6,
Khazaar 6, atypically inactive
Belisarius II 7
Captain Blackadder 8
Ironside 8,
Nictel 10, 3 posts until 11/10 then woke up and started posting multiple times a day
AntiKingWarmancake 10




Either ATPG is asleep at the wheel or Jolt, civplayah and Link are doing something at night to keep themselves alive

Vote: Jolt

[Ironside]

Pever if you're talking to mr. Purple saber, he already got 4 kills and 2 survived, not counting any possible attacks were the saber wasn't used.
The second attack on Beskar and the second attack on dcmort93 I get, but that's one odd record there.

Is mind trick a defensive power? Since he seems to get two defense powers then.

A lucky guess based on what? Random, or not random?

As for Joooray, it would actually be three actions: the regular Sith kill attempt (I don't believe any were missing, were they?), the investigation of Stuck in Pi (in the write-up pretty clearly; if ATPG is playing games with that I'll smack him), and the killing of Stuck in Pi. I wouldn't put it past the Sith leader to have three actions, for the record, though I'm less certain about two independent kills.

Not seeing that part as obvious in the write up. Several of the sith attacks got "join me" or "only the dark side can fuel your victory" as part of the write up.

Vote: Joorey
Killing to prove your innocence isn't that good of a defense. And we don't know if sith can use a differently coloured saber for attack or not.

[Jarema]

vote: Ignoramus
Reasons from the previous day still aply

[Death is yonder]

As Sasaki has mentioned, Ignoramus has behaved very oddly in the past few phases and he has since not popped into thread to contribute much except when his life was on the line. If that isn't trying to lay low, I don't know what is.

Vote: Ignoramus

On the subject of Joooray, I would say that in general, Joooray has explained himself reasonably which warrants himself at the very least survival for a while, but I would hold pever's cautionary to be the best solution to the problem that has arisen where Joooray has "killed people to prove he wasn't the sith engaged in sith activities", which is a very odd excuse, because even so, those townies/non contributers were likely non-suspects and were people the mafia would likely have spent a kill on anyway inadvertently or otherwise.

If you keep killing I will have you killed.

[robbiecon]

Once again voting for Ignoramus are we. Listen people, he used Force Breath yesterday. I would be confident he will have used it again, given that most of us are still not convinced of his innocence. (unless of course you may only use Force Breath once, but I assume you call upon it at night, and it remains active, rather than, "oh look, I'm going to get lynched, oh, that's handy I have something which prevents it")

Joooray, self-proclaimed killer. But I'm willing to let him keep killing, so long as we may suggest his target.

I'm going to consider Yaropolk's post above, where he stated the most inactive players. He mentioned Jolt who has not posted apparently during the game itself. Now, ATPG may have just overlooked him when he was making replacements, it is a very big game, so it's easy to totally forget some people are even playing.

Vote:Jolt, for now, but if he's replaced I will look elsewhere on Yaropolk's list.

[Diamondeye]

Yaropolk, good roundup of inactives. That said, these are the people who will most likely be WoGed asap (especially now with the attention your post has generated), so voting for them might be a waste...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Sasaki Kojiro, Nictel and A Completely Inoffensive Name.

Why do you hate comedy Diamondeye?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't realize he had gone so far without posting.

He has been reading my PM updates to him. So, if he doesn't vote this round, I'll probably replace him.

[remake20]

Dang it! I was just about to become active. Oh well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dang it! I was just about to become active. Oh well.

You still could. Dead doesn't mean silent.

[Renata]

Once again voting for Ignoramus are we. Listen people, he used Force Breath yesterday. I would be confident he will have used it again, given that most of us are still not convinced of his innocence. (unless of course you may only use Force Breath once, but I assume you call upon it at night, and it remains active, rather than, "oh look, I'm going to get lynched, oh, that's handy I have something which prevents it")

You'll have to ask Diamondeye for full clarification, but in the last game it was a single-use passive power. (But you could learn it again on subsequent nights if you got the right dice roll). Diamondeye has stated that it is single-use in this game as well. That's not an argument against lynching Ignoramus.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh I should probably mention, due to the forum being down, and at least one person I know of who tried to vote and failed to because of that, the round will end at midnight of Thursday (the usual 2 day mark) regardless of the vote totals. That will give everyone one more chance to log on and vote.

[Yaropolk]

I didn't realize he had gone so far without posting.

He has been reading my PM updates to him. So, if he doesn't vote this round, I'll probably replace him.

Who are you referring to from my list?

[Nightbringer]

This is round 9, so anyone who has not posted during round 4 or later is WOG bait
Round 4 closed on 11/03 Here are the most lurky posters

Name, Posts, My Comments
Jolt NOT A SINGLE POST after signup
Link 2, 10/23, 11/13 - more than a 5 round gap in the middle
civplayah 3, last post 10/27
remake20 3, last post after 11/03
wideyedwanderer 3, last post after 11/03
landlubber 4
Cecil XIX 4, cleared by Pever
Greyblades 6,
Khazaar 6, atypically inactive
Belisarius II 7
Captain Blackadder 8
Ironside 8,
Nictel 10, 3 posts until 11/10 then woke up and started posting multiple times a day
AntiKingWarmancake 10




Either ATPG is asleep at the wheel or Jolt, civplayah and Link are doing something at night to keep themselves alive

Vote: Jolt

well, it looks like

Jolt is cleared on this by ATPG,

link seems to have just been gone in general,

Civplayah requested replacment,

remake20 is dead,

wideyedwanderer has been active today, but no posts

with this in mind, i am going to vote:wideyedwanderer

He is not usually so quiet, appears to have been watching the game. His posts have also all been simple votes with no explanation. He did express a greater desire for the Big New York game though so he might just be a bit uninterested. However, his recent post less visit suggests to me that he is interested and watching, just not posting.
He is also a relatively inexperienced player (like myself) and may be nervous about giving himself away if he is indeed a sith. This would explain the lack of posts.

I think iggy isnt a bad bet at this point, but i still never have seen a strong case against him.

I have also got a wierd vibe from chaotix, and diana abdona to some degree, but have nothing to back that up with.

[Chaotix]

Looking at the write-up...

Joooray has killed at least two innocents now, and has even tried to get his victims to become apprentices. Even if he started out town, he has definitely fallen to the Dark Side by now (he even mentions it in the write-ups). He doesn't have to be a Sith to be Dark Side; rather he is probably some kind of unaffiliated dark Jedi now.

The write-up practically slams it in our faces, but nobody is voting for him. Why?

Vote: Joooray

[Beefy187]

Since when?

Sorry, read that post again. I thought he was attacked by Sith, but that was vigilante.

I still prefer Chaotix, but lets get this over and done with .
Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus

[Yaropolk]

In light of ATPG's post unvote: Jolt; vote: Link

[Choxorn]

What other choice did I have to appear in the write-up last night? If I hadn't done it, you would be asking what I've been doing last night now. Sure I could have given you my investigation results, but they are easily faked and don't prove much, so it seemed like the way weaker defence.

As I said, I will refrain from killing in the future.

Then why not kill someone who's actually likely to be Sith, like Iggy or Chaotix?

remake20 3
landlubber 4

You're aware that both of these two are dead as of last night, right?

Not seeing that part as obvious in the write up. Several of the sith attacks got "join me" or "only the dark side can fuel your victory" as part of the write up.

Vote: Joorey
Killing to prove your innocence isn't that good of a defense. And we don't know if sith can use a differently coloured saber for attack or not.

Speaking of which, is kill on Pi is riddled with "Join the dark side!", so FOS: Joooray

But really, Iggy should have died about 5 rounds ago. Can we finally kill him? Please? Vote: Ignoramus

[Nightbringer]

Looking at the write-up...

Joooray has killed at least two innocents now, and has even tried to get his victims to become apprentices. Even if he started out town, he has definitely fallen to the Dark Side by now (he even mentions it in the write-ups). He doesn't have to be a Sith to be Dark Side; rather he is probably some kind of unaffiliated dark Jedi now.

The write-up practically slams it in our faces, but nobody is voting for him. Why?

Vote: Joooray

I was under the impression that all the fluff in the write ups contained no clues, and should not be seen as evidence. Is that true ATPG?

[Frozen In Ice]

pever, when did the Mr. Purple Saber Man reveal to you? What name did he give for his character? I personally find it hard to trust him, but I am still uncertain. If we count all of the night actions conducted by someone using a purple saber he did the following:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Night 1 Kills Beskar
Night 2 None
Night 3 None
Night 4 Attacks Rebel Jeb and fails
Night 5 Attacks Dcmort
Night 6 Kills Beskar again
Night 7 Helps Kill Dcmort
Night 8 Kills Remake

All of these night actions can be plausibly explained as trying to help the town. On the power's side of things, he's used Form 3, 5, and 6, Mind Trick, and Force Push. I think having three forms means that he is pretty powerful, either a knight or a master. So if he claimed a name that lined up with a name promoted to one of these positions, then I would find it much more likely that he is pro-town. However, in most of his night actions, he is described as aggressive which doesn't help his claim. I guess in the end he seems pro-town like, but we still shouldn't put too much trust into him.

As for Jooray, his explanation fits but would also fit a Sith trying to escape being caught. I for one found the description of his battles quite Sith like, but there are a few things to note. First Ana states, "... then you are a Sith Lord" to which Jooray responds "Am I? Not quite, Ana..." I am going to hedge my bets and say this really is true, which does help Jooray's case. However, the way this is stated also makes it sound like he could be something similar...

Second, there aren't any other night kills that match what we know for sure about Jooray exactly. From the last two nights we know that Jooray has a blue lightsaber, knows Form 3, and can use Force Push/Wave and Force Lightning. Though only other kills that have any of the same traits are the following:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Night 1 Attack on Jacen Sky: Blue Saber, but Form 2 used
Night 2 Attack on Yogal Sec-barr: Force Lightning
Night 3 Attack on Sec-Sar Jor: Force Lightning

Looking at all of this put together, I find that I am more suspicious of Jooray until pever tells us more about Mr Purple Saber Man. Not sure what to think of Ignoramus.

Vote: Jooray

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was under the impression that all the fluff in the write ups contained no clues, and should not be seen as evidence. Is that true ATPG?

That depends on your definition of "clue".

Red lightsabers are tells that show a Sith, that's not ambiguous. I don't really think that's a clue though, if someone kills someone with a red lightsaber, that's not a hint, that's a fact.

Other colors for lightsabers don't prove that someone is or is not a Sith.

Speech patterns don't prove someone is a Sith either, unless they're being very open about it.

There's a lot of ambiguity in this game. Other than the red lightsaber thing, almost nothing you see is exclusively Sith.

[Double A]

vote: Ignoramus

Vote: Ignoramus



Sasaki Kojiro, Nictel and A Completely Inoffensive Name.

Why Sasaki? I'm not saying I think he's totally, 100%, without-a-doubt innocent, because he's making my gut react explosively, but he does that every game.

[Andres]

vote:Ignoramus

If anyone doesn't find the above set of posts scummy, they need help.

Sure, that case has merit, however...

What other choice did I have to appear in the write-up last night? If I hadn't done it, you would be asking what I've been doing last night now. Sure I could have given you my investigation results, but they are easily faked and don't prove much, so it seemed like the way weaker defence.

As I said, I will refrain from killing in the future.

I personally find the guy who kills innocents at night to prove his own innocence scummier. Self-preservation in mafia games is not necessarily a scumtell, but killing other townies to save your own skin, is a bit over the top, don't you think? Even if he's not Sith, what difference is there with a Sith killing townies and a crazy Jedi Master killing townies?

[Ignoramus]

I do not know what I can do to prove my innocence. I told you I am Jedi Master An-Wan Dyas, and extremely important to the town. The Sith wouldn't have targeted me last night because they want to use my as lynch-bait. For crying out loud - I had a blue light sabre and lost an attack against me two nights ago. I do not have Force Breath anymore - you've exhausted that, so you will finally get rid of me this time if you want.

Just could someone please list your main suspicions against me, and I'll answer them. If the sole reason you suspect me is because I'm participating then that's pretty low.