Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Andres]

Vote : DiamondEye

See if my gut feeling in the beginning of the game was right. If so, then I'm done with analysing posts and I will from now on, in every future mafia game I play, try to get people lynched based on a vague gut feeling and something as random as "he was the last one who posted prior before my first post of the day", by making nonsensic posts.

[God Emperor]

perhaps I am wrong, but didn't Diamondeye claim forcebreath at a very early stage of the game? If so, then it would be a wasted lynch.

I just read Diamondeye's posts and he did claim force breath. Why is this going completely ignored Arpeg, Yaseikhaan and Andres? are your goals to waste this lynch?

[Ironside]

What? I was talking to Iggy, not you, what the heck are you talking about?

Well, there are certain restrictions post-mortem, but I wanted to avoid a certain misunderstanding (that I did for a short while), that was easier for me to make than for the rest of you.

Why was Igno openly showed as my killer, unlike every other attacker? What scenario could cause both players to show up with their name?

So Igno started to trust random.org for some violent night activilities directly after the pressure on him dropped. And didn't expect his name in the open. Recruited to the dark jedi is he? Oh, yes he is.

Come to think about it, that means that my jedi name would be bad buissness even if I survived. Ah well, didn't expect to live until the end anyway.

Interesting that Belisarius didn't get a force ghost. A sign of conflicting emotions perhaps?

So 3 dark jedi (considering the third vigi attack) and one suspected grandmaster. That part is going to be amusing. Aiming for a draw or a victory pever?

[Chaotix]

I just read Diamondeye's posts and he did claim force breath. Why is this going completely ignored Arpeg, Yaseikhaan and Andres? are your goals to waste this lynch?

On another note- Arpeg was another one of those lurkers on Sasaki's suspicion list. Perhaps for once Sasaki could be getting things right. Let's push for the Cecil lynch and keep an eye on Arpeg.

EDIT: Ironside, are you and Beskar on the same side?

[Frozen In Ice]

To me it seems that Choatix is trying to deflect suspicion in any way possible to someone other than him. And on the other side of things those scans make Diamondeye seem like he is a Dark Jedi that has force breath. I'm going to go with the former for now. vote: Chaotix

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

On another note- Arpeg was another one of those lurkers on Sasaki's suspicion list. Perhaps for once Sasaki could be getting things right. Let's push for the Cecil lynch and keep an eye on Arpeg.

Have none of you noticed that I just replaced link? Like, literally last round? Check the list if you want, my name is firmly there as "ArpeggiateTHIS2".

EDIT: And GE, what do you suggest we do about Diamondeye then, let him walk free? Who else do you suppose we go for?

[Nightbringer]

ugh, i have no idea what to vote.
pever, im going to trust you and unvote cecil,
but i don't think those scan results show diomondeye as sith, i think they show that he could easily turn to dark jedi.
so i wont vote diamondeye


Arpeg's last post struck me as very odd,

I suppose there is only one logical action that can follow this post: Vote: Diamondeye

he is following a vague investigation result without question, and stating it as the absolute right thing to do.

but he just replaced someone who was wogged, so he is not likely sith.


chaotix is either very very skilled or isnt sith, his posts just really havent struck me that way, of course, my instincts havent worked too well so far, so im not going to suggest you dont vote for him, in fact, i think maybe ill ues a little crowd behavior this time and go with vote:chaotix

if others have been seeing so much skum in him for so long maybe i should trust them, especially since my instinct have been off and i dont know who else to vote.
i would feel a LOT better if someone could do a post and vote analysis on chaotix though.

[Diamondeye]

You don't want to vote for someone who is lurking with 6 posts, but you'll gladly vote for someone who is lurking with 13 posts and has said they're busy IRL. Mind-boggling logic.
I'm going back to the gut feeling I had early on.
vote: Diamondeye

What's mind-boggling about the expectation that Cecil will be WoGed whilst Diana will not? It's my assesment that this is what's going to happen. Therefore, my vote.

You are welcome Ignoramus. I didn't save you, but I will take the credit anyway. You are all welcome for me saving Ignoramus.

Truly a job well done, ACIN! Thank you!

Double posteru!

Vote: Diamondeye

Double investigation (not by anyone who has given info in anything else) says the light side is weak in him.

Along with in-thread behaviour...

Edit:

here:

"name, The Light side is not strong with this one."

"name, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

This was the case with Joooray's results on several innocent lynches. I can tell you that this is no different; I suppose it makes sense that they would get results like this even though I have never taken a night action apart from selecting defensive powers; I have no active night actions yet.
This is as much as I am going to reveal - I hope it's enough to convince people that we should lynch someone else:
-I am a newly promoted Jedi Knight.
-I have no active abilities yet, but several active defenses. I am not going to reveal what powers they are as that will make me an easy target.
-I have asked ATPG several times about when/if I will be able to vigilante-kill. This may be why the results carry the connotation they do.
-I am not going to reveal my name publically. It will be revealed when I am attempted lynched. If someone else is lynched, I'll PM it to pevergreen.
-My claim of Force Breath is true; in order to lynch me to death, we need to waste not one but two lynches. I suggest we stop before the first.

Vote : DiamondEye

See if my gut feeling in the beginning of the game was right. If so, then I'm done with analysing posts and I will from now on, in every future mafia game I play, try to get people lynched based on a vague gut feeling and something as random as "he was the last one who posted prior before my first post of the day", by making nonsensic posts.

Ah, yes, I remember your case on me from the early game. Stop talking to ACIN about serious posts because , yours were silly as well. Pics of flying pigs?

I am keeping with my vote on Diana but I won't hide the fact that I'm suspicious of ACIN as well as a couple of the others on the DE-wagon.

[TinCow]

At tgiving with family and posting from phone, so you'll have to forgive my brevity.

vote: Cecil xix

Too hard to analyze from phone, following sasaki's lead.

[God Emperor]

EDIT: And GE, what do you suggest we do about Diamondeye then, let him walk free? Who else do you suppose we go for?

If we are speaking lynch then yes. Let him go, because I am against lynching a person with force breath. There are plenty of night killers in this game, and if they deem him guilty, then attack him. . No matter what, lynches are to work in town favour so using a lynch against a known force breath person, without trying out night kills first, is pointless.

As for votes.. I think Cecil is a fine vote. My own vote is on Chaotix, and I believe it will stay there. Andres is a person I would keep an eye on

[robbiecon]

Vote: CecilXIX, because I don't trust pevergreen's informants, who've been wrong in the past. We will FoS:diamondeye for the future though, as if the information is correct, he may turn to Sith in the future.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No way are we lynching diamondeye.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Arpeg's last post struck me as very odd,

he is following a vague investigation result without question, and stating it as the absolute right thing to do.

Aye, twas quite odd. Perhaps I should have questioned pever's sources rather than defer to his whole "died and came back" goodness; he may just be being manipulated.

Either way, it seems before I got subbed back in that a more than enough wasted lynches took place, so Unvote; Vote: Chaotix. Blatant OMGUS and lemming vote, but his posts do seem rather odd.

[Seon]

In fact, I am questioning pever's loyalty to the town. For all we know, he may be a dark force spirit trying to kill the entire town for failing to protect Nomi Sunrider who he hinted to love. In addition, when pever died, the killer mentioned that pever's power came from the dark side of the force.

Now it seems that pever is trying to lynch Diamondeye using investigation results which, as we all know, is inaccurate as stormtroopers.

Vote: Chaotix /for now.

[Nightbringer]

i agree, i have been beginning to feel very suspicious of pever, could you post those quotes maybe?

[Cecil XIX]

It seems the chief point against me is inactivity. Sasaki is right that this is a conscious strategy on my part, it was born of two considerations, chiefly that since this is my first Mafia game I wanted to play it safe and keep a low profile and secondly that I am not the type of person who posts very much to begin with. One look at my post count and join date is enough to verify the second point. The best evidence I have to support my innocence is that I am Xando Caecilius, and that I was attacked just like any other townie, and defended myself like one.

By my unnofficial count Diamondeye, myself and Chaotix are all tied at six, so I'm breaking the tie with vote: Chaotix. I agree with God Emperor's argument against lynching Diamondeye, although I also believe pevergreen's results indicate that Diamondeye is a Dark Jedi. Diamondeye is a good vig target, but it's not a good use of our time to lynch someone who claims Force Breath.

[Seon]

i agree, i have been beginning to feel very suspicious of pever, could you post those quotes maybe?

With pleasure.

Unknown: "You cannot hide forever, Sky... Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends."


Jacin Sky: ........


Unknown: "Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for..... Sunrider...."


Jacin Sky: ........


Unknown: "So... you have feelings for Miss Sunrider. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Now your failure is complete."


Jacin Sky: ........

Unknown: "Most Impressive. That power comes from the Dark Side of the Force. Perhaps you would make a powerful ally.... if you would only give yourself to me."

[Jarema]

I still believe that we should all reveal our names to Pever

Another thing - vote: Jooray

[Diamondeye]

Seon, the first quote is obviously wordplay on the actual scene out of the movies. The second one is interesting, though.
Also; I'm glad someone's listening, but I must maintain that I'm innocent; there is no need to vigilante kill me.
Besides, it seems the chief reason to get rid of me is that I have hinted that I wanted to be a vigilante killer myself, and this would turn me to the dark side. Own goal much?
Which reminds me. Keep an eye on Joooray.

[Joooray]

As you are aware, I'm the Grandmaster now. Being exposed the way I am already I feel it is my duty to give the town some information I gained through the Jedi Holocron. Especially since my alignment has been questioned and I fear I won't hold my position long when the Sith actually decide to attack me (the attacks on me so far were most likely by the vigilante "sanctioned" by pever, which on it's own I find disturbing).

Anyway, first thing, yes Sol was a Dark Jedi, but the Jedi Holocron explicitly states that he tried to turn back to the light side.
As it has been suggested one can fall from the Light Side by vig killing Jedis. So it seems this has also pushed me closer to the Dark Side, but I do my best to redeem myself. As it stands I strongly discourage vig kills! This won't make the work of the town any easier, with all those people able to survive lynches, but if it means there are more people in danger of falling to the Dark Side, it can not be encouraged. Only under certain circumstances should it be used, e.g. if it seems certain the target is Sith. Finally, there is a way back to the light side by doing heroic and good deeds, as long as you haven't become a Sith yet.

As also has been suggested, there is indeed a third party, The Dark One (judging from Iron's post, the Sith are aware of his presence). The Sith and the Dark One are not allied and from what I can decipher from the holocron, they are not able to win together but are actually enemies. Both the Dark One and the Sith Master can not be found through normal investigations. Also the Dark One has the ability to revive Sith, which will make it difficult to get rid of them if the Dark One isn't killed first. Finally in order to kill the Sith effectively the Master has to be killed before the apprentice, because the master can easily recruit another apprentice. The Apprentice will become the master after his master's death, but will for a short while have a harder time finding a new recruit.

One last comment to Sol's death, if I read the write-up correctly Sol was killed by a vigilante. And it's not merely the Saber I base that assumption on. Not cool, not cool at all!

I'm not sure I can make the town trust me again, but I will try my best. As it stands right now, I believe I will be a prime target of the Sith. As that I hope I can convince some people to protect me during the night, especially the one that protected Iggy last night. I know I can help the town and I will do so to my best abilities. Being exposed the way I am, I will continue to give as much information as possible, within the limits of not giving things away to the Sith as well.

[Seon]

"Normal" investigations?

Is there "abnormal" investigations?

[Frozen In Ice]

Didn't pever's character try to spare his opponent's life in that fight on the first day? That doesn't particularly scream someone who would go dark side after he died. To me having a force ghost change alignment after death seems a bit ridiculous. This makes me suspect Seon, we should keep an eye on that one.

[Seon]

Didn't pever's character try to spare his opponent's life in that fight on the first day? That doesn't particularly scream someone who would go dark side after he died. To me having a force ghost change alignment after death seems a bit ridiculous. This makes me suspect Seon, we should keep an eye on that one.

And why does that sound so ridiculous? You must agree that pever's actions as of recent was a tad bit strange, suddenly accusing the Diamondeyedone using investigation result that has been proven false so many times. In fact, if anything, the investigation result that pever cited was even weaker than the evidence cited against the other two whom we lynched. Although he claimed that Diamondye seemed suspiscious, I saw no signs of him being so. is there any reason to vote Diamondeye other than gut feeling?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote : DiamondEye

Vote?

You dead, my friend.

This wouldn't be an attempt at tally manipulation, would it? As there is a rule against it....

[Frozen In Ice]

And why does that sound so ridiculous? You must agree that pever's actions as of recent was a tad bit strange, suddenly accusing the Diamondeyedone using investigation result that has been proven false so many times. In fact, if anything, the investigation result that pever cited was even weaker than the evidence cited against the other two whom we lynched. Although he claimed that Diamondye seemed suspiscious, I saw no signs of him being so. is there any reason to vote Diamondeye other than gut feeling?

While I agree with you that the Diamondeye vote based on those scans is a bad idea, these scans are more specific than the older ones, so I could see why pever might have wanted to act on them. All the older ones said whether or not the dark side was present, but they never said how much. I think nearly all Jedi have at least a little dark side in them so ultimately I don't think those scans were too helpful. Here we get a much more descriptive scan of how much of one side or the other there is, so again I see why pever wants to act on it. Finally, I feel that if pever was really dark side, we'd see many more deaths of Knights and Masters than we saw up to this point because as far as I know most of them revealed to pever.

[Beefy187]

And why does that sound so ridiculous? You must agree that pever's actions as of recent was a tad bit strange, suddenly accusing the Diamondeyedone using investigation result that has been proven false so many times. In fact, if anything, the investigation result that pever cited was even weaker than the evidence cited against the other two whom we lynched. Although he claimed that Diamondye seemed suspiscious, I saw no signs of him being so. is there any reason to vote Diamondeye other than gut feeling?

If the investigation is correct, Diamondeye has little bit of light side in him.
Does that mean his a dark jedi or Sith apprentis? Anyway, this lead is better then the rest, even if we have to lynch him twice

Unvote, Vote: Diamondeye

Also, I think many people have force breath. So we would have to lynch people twice anyway.

[Joooray]

"Normal" investigations?

Is there "abnormal" investigations?

Let's just say, that there are ways. But it's difficult.
To make it clear. Investigation results will not be useful to identify our greatest threats, thus we have to rely on in thread behaviour more than we did so far, but unfortunately I'm not very good at analysing peoples behaviour. So I ask people that have proven their skills in that regard in the past, to help us in this regard.

Didn't pever's character try to spare his opponent's life in that fight on the first day? That doesn't particularly scream someone who would go dark side after he died. To me having a force ghost change alignment after death seems a bit ridiculous. This makes me suspect Seon, we should keep an eye on that one.

I have been confused by pever's behaviour as well and have also asked myself if he suffered an alignment change, but I find that unlikely as it would be an extremely pro-mafia game aspect, if someone would be confirmed as Jedi upon death, but is evil as a force ghost.
Still, I'm not very happy, at how he has been handling things so far.

Also, I forgot in my previous post, Vote: Chaotix, he has also thrown me off for a while now.
I don't feel the case against DE and although I find it off-putting that Cecil comes out of hiding as soon as he is put under pressure and with a somewhat whimsy excuse, I will give him the benefit of a newcomer for now and the write-ups suggests the he survived (vig-)attack only with luck, which speaks more for low ranking Jedi than Sith Master or The Dark One. The Sith Apprentice is accounted for last night after all.

[Seon]

Finally, I feel that if pever was really dark side, we'd see many more deaths of Knights and Masters than we saw up to this point because as far as I know most of them revealed to pever.

I disagree with that. As mafia's goal is to outnumber the town by the end of this game (or so I assume), it is more advantageous for the mafia to target the weakest of us, the initiates, as they would be more certain in their success.

If we examine the 31 people who were killed by the Sith, we can see that they were ALL except one was initiates/padawans. In addition. it seems that at least the Sith faction have two kills (Sonic boom and the force choker). This translates to approximately 20 kills done by the Sith so far. If they were targetting randomly or whatever, you would expect that a lot more jedi knights and masters would be dead so far, but no. The vigilantes have killed more of them so far. If pever is allied with the Sith and have been providing them information, than that explains why the Sith have been able to target only the padawans/initiates.

As for Rebel Jab, who was killed despite being a jedi Knight, it is a known that he was collaborating with pevergreen. It is entirely conceivable that pevergreen managed to know more about the defenses that rebel jab prepared for that night and told the Sith that information.

[Chaotix]

In fact, I am questioning pever's loyalty to the town. For all we know, he may be a dark force spirit trying to kill the entire town for failing to protect Nomi Sunrider who he hinted to love. In addition, when pever died, the killer mentioned that pever's power came from the dark side of the force.

Now it seems that pever is trying to lynch Diamondeye using investigation results which, as we all know, is inaccurate as stormtroopers.

Vote: Chaotix /for now.

Seon, that line of reasoning is ridiculous. pevergreen was revealed as Jedi and town when he died, whereas you can clearly see with Sol Jade's death that Dark Jedi are revealed as Dark Jedi and Neutral when he died. Surely you must have known this already when you made that post.

Further, the host has said that nobody can change alignments when they are dead (EDIT: It seems most of you don't know this. Anyway, I asked ATPG personally and that was what he said. Perhaps he can publicly confirm it.), so there is no way pever was "converted" into an evil ghost. FoS: Seon

As for the case on me, from what I gather, I am guilty of:
-Being "suspicious".
-Deflecting "suspicion" away from me.

Of course, nobody has actually told me what those suspicious things are. I don't consider myself suspicious, so I'm really not trying to deflect it, because I have none to deflect. I am just acting in the best way possible to take down the Sith. I saw merit in the Cecil case (which came, I might add, from Sasaki, who I have continually been at odds with) and so I voted on it.

I can't defend myself further, because I don't know what to defend against.

Lynch me if you wish. It will do you no good. Honestly, I think there is a Sith or a Dark Jedi at the forefront of this bandwagon, and the rest of you are just following it.

[Seon]

Oh well, if pizza said that