Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Choxorn]

Wrong, wrong, wrong wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong wrong. You're wrong. You're wrooong.

You missed one of the You're wrong's.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nightbringer do you have force breath?

Don't diamondeye's results indicate that he is not sith? Actually if the indicated "very little of the light in this one" does that mean he's the dark one? Or whatever joooray said about that. But we'd assume that dude is invest-immune?

[Nightbringer]

Nightbringer do you have force breath?

Don't diamondeye's results indicate that he is not sith? Actually if the indicated "very little of the light in this one" does that mean he's the dark one? Or whatever joooray said about that. But we'd assume that dude is invest-immune?

why do you ask?

and that is how i feel to. but i also dont really see much on chaotix or cecil, if someone could make a real case against them i might be tempted to vote that way, but, without it, it just seems like vague feelings that have accumulated little bandwagons.
(i wanna wall of text!)

[Csargo]

why do you ask?

and that is how i feel to. but i also dont really see much on chaotix or cecil, if someone could make a real case against them i might be tempted to vote that way, but, without it, it just seems like vague feelings that have accumulated little bandwagons.
(i wanna wall of text!)

What made you choose DE over Cecil or Chaotix?

[Nightbringer]

What made you choose DE over Cecil or Chaotix?

because pevergreen is advocating that, and without ideas of my own, if i am going to follow i want to follow the one person we KNOW is a jedi

[Diamondeye]

When you die, your alignment cannot change.

Would that this be a rule in every game, then I would have won a game I did not win.....

Inishmore?

EVERYONE HAS FORCE BREATH

IF WE VIG PEOPLE WE BECOME MAFIA

I GIVE UP

DAYKILL:SASAKI

I think it's becoming a tad bit annoying as well. I started with it, the rest of you are just copycats!

Direct quote from ATPG:

That's hilarious, ACIN. You took the advice to go back to unserious posts, I see

By my count God Emperor's vote change has put us back into a three-way tie, which would let the Sith choose who gets lynched. unvote, vote: Diamondeye.

Oh look is that a sith pushing someone else in front of him in the lynch queue? Unvote; vote: Cecil XIX. Not on my watch . Even duelling you is better than wasting a round on my forcebreath.

why do you ask?

and that is how i feel to. but i also dont really see much on chaotix or cecil, if someone could make a real case against them i might be tempted to vote that way, but, without it, it just seems like vague feelings that have accumulated little bandwagons.
(i wanna wall of text!)

There are more than three people in this game. Odds are none of us three are sith. Why focus solely on the three of us? Oh right you're just looking for an easy target.
pevergreen, what is your opinion about Nightbringer? Is he worth keeping around? Does he have Force Breath? Is he a worthy counterwagon?

[Nightbringer]

ugh, what is all the attention on me about.

ive tried to make cases in the past, (see dcmort and WeW). dcmort was obviously a disastre of scumdar for me, and WeW seems to be generally believed to just be inactive, not sith, and im pretty convinced of that after his defense.

i KNOW there are more than three people, i have often tried to find alternates to the bandwagons throughout the game but i am tired of doing so with no success and need a round to recoup and look for targets.


arnt you just trying to target me to relieve pressure on yourself diamondeye?

but alright, since you have made me feel bad for band-wagoning, i am going to go read over a bunch more posts and look for any kind of case to be made.
also, having thought about pever some more, we do know he is on our side, but he could still be being watched/influenced by the sith. by this i mean that sith could easily be among his informants, or able to steal info from him. i just cant accept that pizza would give us a completely safe place to pile information.

[wideyedwanderer]

Thank you random.org.

What? Why are you thanking random.org?

ohh, good point, i should have read more carefully.
and that was early on in the bandwagon, ok, i guess i was likely wrong on WeW, he is just a townie that has acted rather suspicious

unvote, vote:Cecil XIX
the reasons arn't dissimilar from those on WeW, so lets see how this goes.

Maybe he is, but i got the feeling that it had more to do with dark knowledge than killing, (especially since sol jade didnt kill). however, i still agree that the new jedi master is likely to go dark jedi. I remember that pizza said the information passed on my Noami was dangerous, and i have a feeling it could be corrupting, i would encourage the new grand master to think carefully before looking at it (if that is an option). i definitely dont think we should just start voting jooray because of this though



sorry you see it that way, but i am just a practitioner of the scientific method, if i am faced with strong factual evidence that what i believe is wrong, i will concede my point.

Scientific method? I presented pretty reasonable explanations for my behavior that you seemed to have ignored. Other "suspicious people" presented much weaker reasons, yet you stuck to me. This doesn't make sense. FoS: Nightbringer.

[B][COLOR="blue"]

Are the writeups still good?

Still good.

Silent sith is silent
I think the suspicion of Cecil is sound, but frankly, can't we count on the WOG to get rid of those who are not really playing the game? 6 posts the entire game - really?
I'd much prefer if we could, say, vote: Diana Abnoba, for now.

I believe Askthepizzaguy said that people would have to miss 5 voting periods in order to be WoG'd. Cecil doesn't seem to have missed 5 yet, so I don't think he's in danger of being WoG'd at the moment.

Mmm.... sounds tempting, but this probably isn't the place to discuss this. Private chat then?

Aw, man, it was starting to get interesting.

[pevergreen]

You missed one of the You're wrong's.

Yeah, I knew. I couldn't be bothered doing it though.

Nightbringer do you have force breath?

Don't diamondeye's results indicate that he is not sith? Actually if the indicated "very little of the light in this one" does that mean he's the dark one? Or whatever joooray said about that. But we'd assume that dude is invest-immune?

No idea. All I know is that the result is unique to any results ive been given/i did myself. However, it is technically possible that this is a new investigation type that I haven't gotten a result from yet.

because pevergreen is advocating that, and without ideas of my own, if i am going to follow i want to follow the one person we KNOW is a jedi

Good idea.

Inishmore?


pevergreen, what is your opinion about Nightbringer? Is he worth keeping around? Does he have Force Breath? Is he a worthy counterwagon?

I think I might take offence at that inishmore comment.
I have nothing on Nightbringer. Lately he has seen a bit scummy to me, but I'm useless as a actual 'he has done x and he is scum because of y' type of person.

also, having thought about pever some more, we do know he is on our side, but he could still be being watched/influenced by the sith. by this i mean that sith could easily be among his informants, or able to steal info from him. i just cant accept that pizza would give us a completely safe place to pile information.

I'm fairly sure out of the low number of people i'm working with, that none are sith. A couple are confirmed, or as close to confirmed as you can get. I believe the rest are innocent, and I have some that i'm not working with that i believe are innocent.

Then theres the outright scum like Beefy.

Undoubtably the sith (maybe only one for a night or two) know what i'm doing, but right now its too risky for them to try to infiltrate. 3 concurrent, organised jedi attacks would be able to take him/her out.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

WeW seems to be generally believed to just be inactive, not sith, and im pretty convinced of that after his defense.

Nope. You voted WeW to start today and I pointed out that Ironside had been voting him, and then:

ohh, good point, i should have read more carefully.
and that was early on in the bandwagon, ok, i guess i was likely wrong on WeW, he is just a townie that has acted rather suspicious

I appreciate it, but fos:nightbringer because the tone of the mind-changing reminds me of scum in a recent game.

sorry you see it that way, but i am just a practitioner of the scientific method, if i am faced with strong factual evidence that what i believe is wrong, i will concede my point.

unvote, vote:nightbringer

[Ignoramus]

I don't believe Nightbringer is guilty.

I scanned him one night when there were lots of kills and he was inactive that night.

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: Diana

I have a feeling ^_^

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Actually I think Chaotix is scummy but I don't like jumping on bandwagons... She'd be my second choice tho

[wideyedwanderer]

Why can I only do so many multiquotes in one post?

I think Cecil XIX is indeed fairly suspicious. I therefore appeal to him to not vote today, so as to be destroyed by the Will of the Force, and not make us spend a vote on him. If he does vote, he should be vigged tonight or killed tomorrow. Psychonaut's point makes sense, so vote:Diamondeye.

Basically, you want Cecil dead whether he's innocent or not? Scummy.

ugh, i have no idea what to vote.
pever, im going to trust you and unvote cecil,
but i don't think those scan results show diomondeye as sith, i think they show that he could easily turn to dark jedi.
so i wont vote diamondeye


Arpeg's last post struck me as very odd,

he is following a vague investigation result without question, and stating it as the absolute right thing to do.

but he just replaced someone who was wogged, so he is not likely sith.


chaotix is either very very skilled or isnt sith, his posts just really havent struck me that way, of course, my instincts havent worked too well so far, so im not going to suggest you dont vote for him, in fact, i think maybe ill ues a little crowd behavior this time and go with vote:chaotix

if others have been seeing so much skum in him for so long maybe i should trust them, especially since my instinct have been off and i dont know who else to vote.
i would feel a LOT better if someone could do a post and vote analysis on chaotix though.

After going after me hard, you gave up very easily very quickly. Now you are going along with the Chaotix wagon for no solid reasons. Maybe I just really don't understand your play style, or maybe you're Sith.

It seems the chief point against me is inactivity. Sasaki is right that this is a conscious strategy on my part, it was born of two considerations, chiefly that since this is my first Mafia game I wanted to play it safe and keep a low profile and secondly that I am not the type of person who posts very much to begin with. One look at my post count and join date is enough to verify the second point. The best evidence I have to support my innocence is that I am Xando Caecilius, and that I was attacked just like any other townie, and defended myself like one.

By my unnofficial count Diamondeye, myself and Chaotix are all tied at six, so I'm breaking the tie with vote: Chaotix. I agree with God Emperor's argument against lynching Diamondeye, although I also believe pevergreen's results indicate that Diamondeye is a Dark Jedi. Diamondeye is a good vig target, but it's not a good use of our time to lynch someone who claims Force Breath.

You say you prefer only 1 post per day, but you're obviously paying attention, and you've already posted multiple times today. I was suspicious of you before, so this is not the reason why I am voting for you, but it is strengthening the case against you, in my eyes. Vote: Cecil.

The difference is I know exactly who Cecil and Chaotix are, and what they can do. Neither of them are trouble. We want both alive.

You also knew who I was and what I did. Did I seem like trouble to you?

Direct quote from ATPG:

What exactly are you trying to pull here?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't believe Nightbringer is guilty.

I scanned him one night when there were lots of kills and he was inactive that night.

Investigations don't work on the sith lord and the dark lord. Or anyone else as far as we know

[Andres]

As a Jedi Wimp, you have the following attributes:

Jedi Wimp- Level 1 (Beginner)
-No lightsaber because the Jedi know you suck and don't you to kill anyone.
-Randomly distributed insults from me in PM form.

[Nightbringer]

Edit
I no longer stand by this case because i had lacked important information about csargo's nature...
End of Edit

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Okay, here is the case i have found.
unvote, vote:csargo

why? No reason...


no, not really

Okay, here is my case. In short, Csargo has been very active, but has done nothing but question othres, make irrelevent comments, and vote safely.
It is not a case of look at this thing he did he is skum, but a case of someone who has worked to sow doubt and confusion while remaining under the radar himself.
I cannot say I feel strongly that he is sith, but I have been asked to not follow the leader, and as that is already what people are doing, i thought i would try to find our next victim, er, elected person of dying, or whatever you would like to call it.

I have gathered all his recent posts and will follow each one with a brief analysis. These are ordered from old to recent and only go back a few days, i might go back further at a later point.

Post Analysis

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
vote:chaotix
End Sasaki post

What did chaotix do?

Here he is not contributing anything, simply questioning why sasaki is voting this way, somthing you will see he does a lot without contributing anything of substance.

Originally Posted by Beefy187
Interesting development.
I'll decide the vote after hearing what pever says.
End Beefy post

Again, no contribution, simply commenting negativly on another's post.

Vote:Link

No reason? 2 posts? :(

Now he is casting a vote that is very safe, and acting very nonchallant about it, a classic move to avoid attention. Plus, Link was a safe bet because he had just come under suspicion during the attack aggainst wogbait.

Originally Posted by Chaotix
Umm... yes.

'Specially considering you haven't made a case for me outside of "he is scummy" for at least 3 rounds or so.

End Chaotix post

He has magical powers.

No real contribution, just commenting again.

Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I don't like revealing info if I don't have to - otherwise I'm a dead kill for the Sith.

End Iggy post

Let me say this real quick:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Once again, simply insubstantial commenting, that also appeals to common sense. (Iggy's satement was a little odd)

Vote:Link

Once again voting link, for no real reason, and keep in mind link was not a major figure in discussion,

If you were a cupcake, I'd eat you all in one bite.

Vote:Cecil XIX is a good lynch, but so is Diana. I'll stick with Cecil though.

Responding to pizza in the first part, but the second part shows his safe voting, cecil, who is getting a bit of a bandwagon, and diana, who was being targeted, keeping his options open and staying safe.

Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
By my count God Emperor's vote change has put us back into a three-way tie, which would let the Sith choose who gets lynched. unvote, vote: Diamondeye.
End of Cecil post

Why DE?

Here is where things get a little odd, and the main thing that made me feel he is not trustworthy. He has just started his string of posts questioning votes on diamondeye. He seems to be questioning voting him as much as possible, but without any direct defense of diamondye. If we trust pever enough to say that Diamondeye is sith or dark jedi, then this could be him attempting to defend his buddy. He wants to try to sway votes away from diamondeye, likely towards cecil who is the next target.

Originally Posted by dcmort93
Because he's a sith and he's joining a somewhat credible bandwagon either because A) He is just trying to save him self or B) He is trying to kill a fellow sith to save himself for a while by giving himself some credit
End of dcmort post

Why do you believe DE to be Sith?

Again, questioning diamondye accusation.

Originally Posted by Nightbringer
why do you ask?

and that is how i feel to. but i also dont really see much on chaotix or cecil, if someone could make a real case against them i might be tempted to vote that way, but, without it, it just seems like vague feelings that have accumulated little bandwagons.
(i wanna wall of text!)
End of Nightbrigner (hey thats me!) post

What made you choose DE over Cecil or Chaotix?

Here is he questioning diamond accusation for the third time, but agian subtly, avoiding the limelight. and he is again suggesting one of the other candidates, but he has stated no reason for lynching them.

It is possible he just wants people to give reasons for their votes, but i think this unlikely given his consistant lack of any reason for his own votes.

[Beefy187]

EVERYONE HAS FORCE BREATH

IF WE VIG PEOPLE WE BECOME MAFIA

I GIVE UP

DAYKILL:SASAKI

Sure we've lynched no mafia yet, but surely ATPG won't make the game impossible for the town.
Maybe this is like God Father. If we lynch the Sith Lord (twice) we win.

Then theres the outright scum like Beefy.

Though if I am Sith, then I think i've been doing better then in God Father III.

[Nightbringer]

After going after me hard, you gave up very easily very quickly. Now you are going along with the Chaotix wagon for no solid reasons. Maybe I just really don't understand your play style, or maybe you're Sith.

I did, because, as i said ealier, i was presented with very good evidence that you were not sith. I admitted i was wrong and started looking for a new target.

If I have waffled a bit this round, it was because my main target, WeW, suddenly seemed to be very unlikely to be sith given the situation with iron.
I was attempting to follow what i saw as the most sound argument at the time, but that has changed a lot this round, as you can see, i have tried to create an argument of my own, but i do not feel it is very strong, i am mainly just trying to get more people to put together full arguments rather than just "he seems skummy, vote:him"

Although, I do have to say, Darth Nightbringer has a certain ring to it.

(edit)@sasaki (end of edit)
How about this, could you please look at my post history and make an argument based on that, rather than just a random thing or two. Anyone can be made to look however you want with selective quoting (just look at reality tv).

Edit: Pever, what do you have on csargo?

[pevergreen]

I love that people try to do serious analysis on Strawberry or ACIN.

[Nightbringer]

I love that people try to do serious analysis on Strawberry or ACIN.

strawberry?
oh wait, is csargo like ACIN?? is his nickname strawberry?

if that is the case disregard my entire case against him because it would make no sense

[ByzantineKnight]

strawberry?
oh wait, is csargo like ACIN?? is his nickname strawberry?

if that is the case disregard my entire case against him because it would make no sense

Csargo used to be Ichigo and Ichigo is Japanese for strawberry

[Nightbringer]

Csargo used to be Ichigo and Ichigo is Japanese for strawberry

ugh, okay, i dont really think what i argued makes any sense any more, ill leave it up just because but unvote

[ByzantineKnight]

unvote; Vote: Nightbringer too wishy-washy

[Nightbringer]

unvote; Vote: Nightbringer too wishy-washy

ok, if you say so, but i had not realized that csargo was like ACIN, completely crazy. knowing that, the case i made makes absolutely no sense, so why would i continue to follow it. I had thoguht csargo was normally a serious player (that is my base assumption about anyone)

[wideyedwanderer]

I did, because, as i said ealier, i was presented with very good evidence that you were not sith. I admitted i was wrong and started looking for a new target.

If I have waffled a bit this round, it was because my main target, WeW, suddenly seemed to be very unlikely to be sith given the situation with iron.
I was attempting to follow what i saw as the most sound argument at the time, but that has changed a lot this round, as you can see, i have tried to create an argument of my own, but i do not feel it is very strong, i am mainly just trying to get more people to put together full arguments rather than just "he seems skummy, vote:him"

Although, I do have to say, Darth Nightbringer has a certain ring to it.

How about this, could you please look at my post history and make an argument based on that, rather than just a random thing or two. Anyone can be made to look however you want with selective quoting (just look at reality tv).

Edit: Pever, what do you have on csargo?

All I've been doing this whole time is comment on your post history. I've never once accused you randomly. I feel I must support the case against Cecil this round, since it's too close between him, Chaotix, and DE, but I will say FoS, FoS, FoS, FoS, Fos: Nightbringer.

I love that people try to do serious analysis on Strawberry or ACIN.

Yeah, I get it now. My post to ACIN can be disregarded.

[Nightbringer]

All I've been doing this whole time is comment on your post history. I've never once accused you randomly.

Only the first line of my post was directed towards you WeW, the rest was mainly directed towards sasaki, i should have clarified

ps. how do you put things in spoiler tags, i cant find that option anywhere in the advanced options.

[Nightbringer]

sorry about double post, but this really is a different topic

I thought I would post Ironside's vote history just so people can be aware of it.

Day One
No Vote
Vote on him
Ironside: (1) Nictel

Day Two
No Vote

Day Three
Sasaki (8) Sigurd, Ignoramus, Ironside, Kagemusha, slysnake, Death is yonder, Diana Abnoba, Belisarius II

Day Four
Tincow: (26) Rebel Jeb, Seon, Psychonaut, robbiecon, Andres, Renata, Csargo, Double A, YLC, ByzKnight, landlubber, Sprig, Nightbringer, Stuck in Pi, Beefy187, Joooray, Autolycus, Raskolnikov, Ibn-Khaldun, Ironside, Belisarius II, choxorn, Frozen in Ice, pevergreen, Chaotix, Ignoramus

Day Five
Ignoramus: (12) Seon, Rebel Jeb, choxorn, Sigurd, Ironside, Sprig, Khazaar, Sasaki Kojiro, Belisarius II, Zack, slysnake, Ibn-Khaldun

Day Six
Ignoramus: (10) , robbiecon, Khazaar, Ibn-Khaldun, Diana Abnoba, Beskar, Sigurd, Psychonaut, Ironside, Csargo, Sasaki Kojiro,

Day Seven
dcmort93: (32) Diamondeye, Nightbringer, Autolycus, Chaotix, Zack, pevergreen, ByzantineKnight, Seon, Yaropolk, Captain Blackadder, Nictel, Choxorn, Frozen in Ice, Psychonaut, God Emperor, slysnake, Jarema, Beefy187, Death is Yonder, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Renata, classical_hero, Belisarius II, Joooray, Ironside, Johnhughthom, Ibn-Khaldun, AntiKingWarmanCake88, robbiecon, Diana Abnoba, Cecil XIX

Day Eight
Ignoramus: (21) Zack, Choxorn, Khazaar, Death is yonder, ByzantineKnight, Double A, Joooray, Ironside, Nictel, Seon, Jarema, Nightbringer, Link, WEW, Autolycus, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Chaotix, slysnake, Diana Abnoba, Frozen in ice,

Day Nine
Ignoramus: (10) Nictel, Diamondeye, Seon, Autolycus, Jarema, DIY, Beefy, Choxorn, Double A, Khazaar
Joooray: (10) Kagemusha, Ironside, Chaotix, WEW, Sasaki, Diana Abnoba, Robbiecon, Warman, Greyblades, Ignoramus

Day Ten
WEW: (11) Nightbringer, Joooray, Yaropolk, Ironside, Skooma Addict, Cecil XIX, WEW, Diana Abnoba, ArpeggiateTHIS, Chaotix, Ignoramus



The only thing I notice here are a lot of votes similar to Diana Abnoba.
# = day number
no = didn't vote same as ironside
yes = did vote same as ironside
didnt vote= didnt vote that day
So diana abnoba is
1 no
2 didnt vote
3 yes
4 didnt vote
5 no
6 yes
7 yes
8 yes
9 yes
10 yes

which is much more than anyone else. true many of these were pretty big bandwagons, but she does have a lot more votes that line up with his than anyone else.

So I am gonig to vote:Diana Abnoba

[wideyedwanderer]

ps. how do you put things in spoiler tags, i cant find that option anywhere in the advanced options.

EDIT: Oops, misread.

[ByzantineKnight]

ps. how do you put things in spoiler tags, i cant find that option anywhere in the advanced options.

[SPOI L] [/SPOI L]

[pevergreen]

I've had the problem where it seems to only accept x amount of multiquotes. Most of my multi-quotes posts have 1-2 that didnt appear.