President Ahmadinejad to be questioned by Iranian lawmakers

[Hax]

after Ali was murdered the bloodline of the prophet died

Not really. Muhammad had other children, most prominently Fatima, from whom the Fatimids claimed descent.

one who recognised the new leadership and those who didn't

It wasn't necessarily about the new leadership, it was about how the new leadership was appointed. The proto-Sunnites believed that the Ummah should elect the successor, and the Shi'ites believed that Muhammad had appointed 'Ali to be his successor.

it has always runned very deeply but they agree they are of the same religion.

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily grant Shi'ite clerics authority over Sunnites.

[Fragony]

Not really. Muhammad had other children, most prominently Fatima, from whom the Fatimids claimed descent.



It wasn't necessarily about the new leadership, it was about how the new leadership was appointed. The proto-Sunnites believed that the Ummah should elect the successor, and the Shi'ites believed that Muhammad had appointed 'Ali to be his successor.



Yes, but that doesn't necessarily grant Shi'ite clerics authority over Sunnites.

Descent, women and Islam. The schizm started at Ali's death, not after his appointment that was never abnormally disputed. He is the last of the good kalifs, but also the death of the 'holy' bloodline. THAT is the schizm.

[Hax]

The schizm started at Ali's death, not after his appointment that was never abnormally disputed.

There were two problems. First of all, the appointment of Abu-Bakr as Caliph, which was contested by the Shi'ites (the word Shi'a stems from "Shiat al-Ali", "Ali's party", who believed that Muhammad had appointed him to be his successor). Then, when Ali ascended as Caliph, there were several people that contested his appointment, including Amr ibn al-As (the conqueror of Egypt) and Aisha (because of the infamous supposed "incident with the necklace"). Political stuff.

When Ali won a battle against the rebels, he agreed to a temporary ceasefire and that certain lands were to be left under the rule of the rebels. The Kharijites (who, henceforth, would be known like that) didn't, however, and they assassinated Ali. That's where things really went wrong.

but also the death of the 'holy' bloodline. THAT is the schizm.

That makes no sense, have you forgotten Hasan, Ali's son, and Husayn, Ali's grandson? There are loads of people that claim descendance from Muhammad.

[Fragony]

I have no answer to that, but don't forget that Ali was murdered, that sort of stuff isn't exclusive to Rome

[Hax]

Yeah, that's true. On an unrelated note, why the are you awake at 5:48 AM?

[Fragony]

On friday? You are right by the way the schism was before Ali's death I screwed up, it is as you say