Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Choxorn]

Force scream? What kind of wussy power is that?

The kind of power that appears to kill anyone it's used on, as well as anyone protecting them. Twice.

There are so many people I suspect that I don't even know where to start. I'll need to give this some thought before making any posts. Going after vigilantes is something to consider. Also, last night some scoundrel used Drain Knowledge on me!

What does Drain Knowledge do?

No. Sith cannot kill with lightsabers that are not red. pevergreen should be able to account for all vigilantes attacking with an alt-color lightsaber. They may be Dark Jedi, there's a chance it could even be the Dark One, but they are definitely not Sith.

How do you know? I sense much Perfect Information Syndrome in you.

AoS: Chaotix McScummy

[Diamondeye]

The are a stupid number of night attacks going on and none of them have clear Sith markings on them. The Sith are obviously still killing, which means they are hiding their kills amongst the vigilantes. Barring those that have killed Sith (An-Wan Dyas and whoever killed Beskar twice), all vigilantes need to be heavily scrutinized.

We haven't seen a red lightsaber in a long, long time. If your claim is to be believed, then the Sith have completely stopped killing. That's rather difficult for me to believe.

I'd dare to propose that the Dark Force killings would be the Sith. Three deaths this night from those.
There. Any other reasons?

[Frozen In Ice]

Seems like our Grandmaster has sound aim (assuming that is still a GM ability).
Did whoever checked out Frozen In Ice find out anything? I think there's reason why he should be a suspect.

Why would you call that sound aim if you don't even know if I'm a suspect? Yeah, taking away the best defense of someone who is viewed as likely innocent is a good idea. Make the Sith's job easier so that they become over confident and lower their guard.

In all seriousness is this true Jooray?

[Chaotix]

Perhaps there could be a passive ability that allows concealment of the red lightsaber. Still, if you look at the write-ups, it is mostly different colors every night.

The purple one is there almost constantly, but its been attacking right from the start and killed Beskar, as you said. The other colors tend to vary, a lot.

My guess is that the Sith are now mostly killing with Force powers- I'll bet that out of any attack last night, the Force Screamer was a Sith.

Other than that... hard to tell. On a second considering, evidence shows that my previous statement may not be correct in all cases, though it is for usual cases. In particular, now that there have been a good 15 or so night-time write-ups, I think there is a massive amount of info to be gleaned from them. For instance, every night from about 3 onwards, there have been promotions. If we can look at the write-ups and determine from there who has been a Knight right from the start, we will probably find our Sith Lord within that group. pevergreen (Jacin Sky) and Belisarius (Sol Jade) started as Masters; everyone else was a Knight, and we know this since Joooray (Ronen Durdon), the current Grandmaster, was the first to be promoted to Master. I'm going to continue looking into this.

[TinCow]

I'd dare to propose that the Dark Force killings would be the Sith. Three deaths this night from those.
There. Any other reasons?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we already had people claiming to not be Sith, but who still had stuff like Force Lightning?

In any case, you seem to be forgetting that those of us not in the vigilante clique have no idea how many of you there are and which kills you claim to have done. Based on the information I have about your activities, namely, nothing... you could be one of the 'Dark Force' killers. You seem to be expecting the town to sit passively by and let you slaughter whoever you want, even though we know for a fact that killing leads to the Dark Side. From where I'm sitting, it looks like, at best, that the entire lot of you are trying to go Dark Jedi and win on your own.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The kind of power that appears to kill anyone it's used on, as well as anyone protecting them. Twice.

Oh? So you're the emo-sith? Thanks for confessing.

psychonaut seems to be extremely powerful. But how do you guys know he was the one attacked?

[wideyedwanderer]

EDIT 2: Thank you God Emperor for labeling me as the "Grand Champion", makes me feel that I can walk away from this knowing I was the best at something here.

*Sigh* I'm always second place.

There are so many people I suspect that I don't even know where to start. I'll need to give this some thought before making any posts. Going after vigilantes is something to consider. Also, last night some scoundrel used Drain Knowledge on me!

And what makes you not a suspect? You were included in God Emperor's list of people who have never missed a vote, and he had nothing to say in regards to your Innocence. Unvote, Vote: Frozen in Ice.

[God Emperor]

@pevergreen; was that assassin acting on your orders? I really hope not, as I indulged in changing my target to one of your preferences. Namely, vote:Psychonaut

because Diamondeye says here that it was him he attacked. And the powerful dual green lightsaber dude was attacked by a force valor / Emerald lightsaber jedi

[Diamondeye]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we already had people claiming to not be Sith, but who still had stuff like Force Lightning?

In any case, you seem to be forgetting that those of us not in the vigilante clique have no idea how many of you there are and which kills you claim to have done. Based on the information I have about your activities, namely, nothing... you could be one of the 'Dark Force' killers. You seem to be expecting the town to sit passively by and let you slaughter whoever you want, even though we know for a fact that killing leads to the Dark Side. From where I'm sitting, it looks like, at best, that the entire lot of you are trying to go Dark Jedi and win on your own.

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.

That leaves an eventual Sith Apprentice as the only one left. I suppose he could be hiding his lightsaber colour if he has another saber, but I also believe that it's commonly agreed that getting rid of any of the two "Big Bad"s take absolute priority - especially the Dark One - and there is no certainty about who the apprentice should be anyway.

Oh? So you're the emo-sith? Thanks for confessing.

psychonaut seems to be extremely powerful. But how do you guys know he was the one attacked?

This:

because Diamondeye says here that it was him he attacked. And the powerful dual green lightsaber dude was attacked by a force valor / Emerald lightsaber jedi

[Kagemusha]

Vote: DoubleA.Didnt you surface on awfully convenient moment.

[TinCow]

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.

It would be useful for kill tracking purposes for us to know specifically which people have been killed by known vigilantes. If there are a consistent number of kills each night above and beyond those committed by your group of vigilantes, then your theory might have some merit. However, it is impossible for rest of us to make that determination because we have no idea which kills you are claiming as your own. Just a list of who was killed by vigilantes, going back to N1, would be helpful.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Double A for now. Gonna try to get back later.

[God Emperor]

Vote: DoubleA.Didnt you surface on awfully convenient moment.

Vote: Double A for now. Gonna try to get back later.

Even if double A turned out to be anti-town, then what would it help us? I just don't believe that the two prime evils are replaced..
The only confirmed anti towns, appart from the sith lord and the dark one, are dark jedi and the sith apprentice. Let's say Double A turned out to be a sith apprentice.. then the sith lord would be able to recruit a new apprentice with his tier two recruitment ability, and we would have to start all over searching for scummy behavior...

Imo it makes a lot more sense to go after the people who are likely to be sith lord/dark one.. if we catch the sith lord, then it would be time to eleminate the people who had showed scummy behavior, that would have been enough to get them lynched.. People like AntiKing.

So unless you believe Double A to be the sith lord/dark one , then I would say it's bad votes you cast.

[Frozen In Ice]

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.

Actually, I don't think we can make that assumption. On Night 4, the Dark one used Chain Lightning to kill pever, but the writeup also seems to indicate that he was using Force Crush as well and going by Wookipedia, Force Crush is an advanced version of Force Choke. Also on the night Beskar was revived, there was a kill by someone who used Force Scream. It is possible that the Dark One could revive Beskar and kill in one night, but I don't find that too likely.

[God Emperor]

Edit: Nvm

[TinCow]

Actually, I don't think we can make that assumption. On Night 4, the Dark one used Chain Lightning to kill pever, but the writeup also seems to indicate that he was using Force Crush as well and going by Wookipedia, Force Crush is an advanced version of Force Choke. Also on the night Beskar was revived, there was a kill by someone who used Force Scream. It is possible that the Dark One could revive Beskar and kill in one night, but I don't find that too likely.

IIRC, at some point in the first Star Wars game, the highest ranks (Jedi GM and Sith Lord) got the ability to target two different people with actions on the same night. I think that ability was given out a lot later in the game than Night 4, but there is precedent for it in the basic setup for this game.

[Kagemusha]

Even if double A turned out to be anti-town, then what would it help us? I just don't believe that the two prime evils are replaced..
The only confirmed anti towns, appart from the sith lord and the dark one, are dark jedi and the sith apprentice. Let's say Double A turned out to be a sith apprentice.. then the sith lord would be able to recruit a new apprentice with his tier two recruitment ability, and we would have to start all over searching for scummy behavior...

Imo it makes a lot more sense to go after the people who are likely to be sith lord/dark one.. if we catch the sith lord, then it would be time to eleminate the people who had showed scummy behavior, that would have been enough to get them lynched.. People like AntiKing.

So unless you believe Double A to be the sith lord/dark one , then I would say it's bad votes you cast.

In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

[God Emperor]

In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

Alright. Did that game also have the same consequences if the lynch goes 'wrong' and a sith apprentice is lynched before his time?

Though I do not understand what is so scummy about Double A's post.. I see he answered the accusation.. but that is also about it imo. Since Double A was replaced he did not vote for 4/9 days.. Personally I think such lack of activity suggests something

[Beefy187]

I agree with God Emperor. Chance of Dark one being replaced is not very likely.

Actually my moneys on Kagemusha being the Dark one. I'll test my luck
Vote: Kagemusha

[Ironside]

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.

All offensive powers are dark side powers. You've "happened" to aquire Force lightning?
And my master using Force Choke? Why would he use a weak tier 1 power? He got stronger means at his potential.

In case anyone wonders, our dark side powers can get upgrades. Compare Force Push ->Force wave. You can figure out a few tree's by reading the write-ups. Lightning is a very obvious 3 level power for example.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we already had people claiming to not be Sith, but who still had stuff like Force Lightning?

Yes you have. More than once.

In any case, you seem to be forgetting that those of us not in the vigilante clique have no idea how many of you there are and which kills you claim to have done. Based on the information I have about your activities, namely, nothing... you could be one of the 'Dark Force' killers. You seem to be expecting the town to sit passively by and let you slaughter whoever you want, even though we know for a fact that killing leads to the Dark Side. From where I'm sitting, it looks like, at best, that the entire lot of you are trying to go Dark Jedi and win on your own.

I quoted Jooray before. What happens if you can't win if dead? And you got some nice offensive powers?

The kind of power that appears to kill anyone it's used on, as well as anyone protecting them. Twice.

Force Scream got counters, as do all powers. Death of the protector occurs when the combined defense is insufficient.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch kage!

Finding the emo-sith should be our top priority.

[Diamondeye]

Actually, I don't think we can make that assumption. On Night 4, the Dark one used Chain Lightning to kill pever, but the writeup also seems to indicate that he was using Force Crush as well and going by Wookipedia, Force Crush is an advanced version of Force Choke. Also on the night Beskar was revived, there was a kill by someone who used Force Scream. It is possible that the Dark One could revive Beskar and kill in one night, but I don't find that too likely.

I agree that sounds somewhat hard to believe, but in the case of the Dark One I think he started as a very powerful character, so it might not be completely off.

In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

Oh, yeah, that was a good game, right Kage?

I agree with God Emperor. Chance of Dark one being replaced is not very likely.

Actually my moneys on Kagemusha being the Dark one. I'll test my luck
Vote: Kagemusha

For your information; pevergreen threatened me with death if I attacked Kagemusha. You don't have a lot to lose as a ghost, put that's the prime reason why I didn't go through with it and why I'm not lending you my vote on this until it'd matter...

[Kagemusha]

Alright. Did that game also have the same consequences if the lynch goes 'wrong' and a sith apprentice is lynched before his time?

Though I do not understand what is so scummy about Double A's post.. I see he answered the accusation.. but that is also about it imo. Since Double A was replaced he did not vote for 4/9 days.. Personally I think such lack of activity suggests something

I voted for DoubleA because not how he replied,but because he appeared when people started to question why was he not wogged. That seems like case of lurking.
The comparison with Daggers of the Night was because we cant afford to assume things as default. You are right that we should have a priority of finding the dark one and the Sith Lord, but my question to you is what strategy do you have that brings us closer at finding them other then voting based on suspicious behaviour?

[Kagemusha]

For your information; pevergreen threatened me with death if I attacked Kagemusha. You don't have a lot to lose as a ghost, put that's the prime reason why I didn't go through with it and why I'm not lending you my vote on this until it'd matter...

For your information your role fishing is not exactly helpfull for the town.Thanks for quite possibly getting me killed.

[Beefy187]

For your information; pevergreen threatened me with death if I attacked Kagemusha. You don't have a lot to lose as a ghost, put that's the prime reason why I didn't go through with it and why I'm not lending you my vote on this until it'd matter...

Kage is acting too cool. He havn't been on the hot spot yet. Its too perfect.
He gets my vote unless I see better cases.

[Kagemusha]

Also Unvote and Vote: Diamondeye. I cant think your actions any more as any other then malicious.You could have given any information you had to Beefy privately, but you had to spill it to the thread. So i cant see it other way then that you are not one of the good guys.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If he was one of the bad guys and had that information, he wouldn't need to bother spilling it.

Is choxorn a replacement?

[Kagemusha]

If he was one of the bad guys and had that information, he wouldn't need to bother spilling it.

Is choxorn a replacement?

Well then he is just a wannabe mafia, still unhelpfull so no need for him to live anymore.

[God Emperor]

I voted for DoubleA because not how he replied,but because he appeared when people started to question why was he not wogged. That seems like case of lurking.
The comparison with Daggers of the Night was because we cant afford to assume things as default. You are right that we should have a priority of finding the dark one and the Sith Lord, but my question to you is what strategy do you have that brings us closer at finding them other then voting based on suspicious behaviour?

Well.. I think thread behavior is one thing to look at.. but not the only one. There are stuff like write ups, scans, voting patterns. I can see why you call it a case of lurking.. but it doesn't sit well with me that he missed that many votes. Imo that suggests he is not lurking intentionally. Personally I like to vote Psychonaut, because he seems so powerful.. almost too powerful concidering no force ghost has had a reason to keep him alive..


@ Sasaki , Choxorn is dead

[Sasaki Kojiro]

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

As far as double A goes, I don't think winston replaced out from boredom.

Glancing over the list...byzantine night and khazaar are two people that have been under the radar.

Lynch byzantine.