Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Double A]

Before I start, I want to get this off my chest: Brotherhood is amazing. I probably would have played it till the sun got up if my mom didn't tell me to get off.

Also, there is snow on my front lawn. On December 4th. In North Carolina. Normally, we don't get snow till mid-January.

In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

I feel like a jerk by pointing this out, but is this really strange behavior for me?

Alright. Did that game also have the same consequences if the lynch goes 'wrong' and a sith apprentice is lynched before his time?

Though I do not understand what is so scummy about Double A's post.. I see he answered the accusation.. but that is also about it imo. Since Double A was replaced he did not vote for 4/9 days.. Personally I think such lack of activity suggests something

It suggests that I've been busy reading books and playing video games due to the pre-Christmas release rush.

I voted for DoubleA because not how he replied,but because he appeared when people started to question why was he not wogged. That seems like case of lurking.
The comparison with Daggers of the Night was because we cant afford to assume things as default. You are right that we should have a priority of finding the dark one and the Sith Lord, but my question to you is what strategy do you have that brings us closer at finding them other then voting based on suspicious behaviour?

If you want the truth, I really have been playing games and reading. I haven't even looked at some of the posts in this thread (such as the ones between this day phase and about page 76). I'm sorry Pizzaguy, but I'm honestly not as interested in your game as the ones I'm playing on my consoles and PC. I've phased out of mafia, like I did with GSTK on TWC. I think this will be my last game for a long, long time (until the next Capo GH, or CDf game, which I understand are also far away).

[ByzantineKnight]

for a second I thought you posted that in the wrong thread just from the way you started it

[Askthepizzaguy]

ByzKnight: (4) Ignoramus, Warman, Tincow, Frozen

Tincow: (2) Jarema, Chaotix

Psychonaut: (2) Diamondeye, God Emperor

Frozen: (1) WEW

Diamondeye: (1) Kagemusha

Seon: (1) Diana

Double A: (1) Yaseikhaan

Kagemusha: (1) Beefy

Abstain: (1) Double A



14 voters, not enough to lynch. Day continues until midnight tonight.

[wideyedwanderer]

I love that you called me boisterous. I think I need to do a little soul searching and description editing.

I didn't mean it in any negative way. Boisterous really wasn't the word I was looking for, but I couldn't think of it, so I went with boisterous. Basically what I was trying to say was you gained control of the town, and you weren't shy about it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And now it's right under my name. "Exceptionally boisterous". I like it.

[pevergreen]

Let's have a chat with zan finnay.

The premise that the Sith Lord started as Knight or Master appears to be a total guess... but seems plausible enough to be worth pursuing. I would lodge a vote on that basis to see where it leads.

Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

For the record, kage has been supplying me info for a bit now. He was the one with the results of

Investigation on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is not strong with this one."
Second one on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

Has the saber form Ataru as well.

[ByzantineKnight]

Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

For the record, kage has been supplying me info for a bit now. He was the one with the results of

Investigation on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is not strong with this one."
Second one on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

Has the saber form Ataru as well.

Vote: Diamondeye

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why are you voting diamondeye? He's "on-so c'ba".

Isn't it kage we're after?

FOS:byznight

We can leave him in the lead until we talk to kage...

[ByzantineKnight]

byznight

That was just harsh...

*cries*

FOS: Sasaki, can't spell a guy's name correctly

[Jarema]

unvote, vote: Kagemusha

[naut]

What hit me when I read these 3 parts of the writeups is the similarity between the first and the third. And how the second seem to stand out. I think it's a funny 'coincidence' that Psychonaut fights the exact same way as the sith did. In a way that the hooded figure obviously doesn't fight. Not to mention they are both trained in using two swords at the same time .

Personally I think it's worth concidering

Yes, coincidence is the correct word. That was the first write-up I have ever been in, and I'd like to say thanks to ATPG, it was awesome. You also said I appear powerful? Joooray seems pretty powerful maybe we should lynch him too? Igno vigged Ironside, he beat a sith he must be powerful so we should lynch him too? The only reason I seem powerful is a) I am a master and have been for quite a while now and b) I used defences that were effective against the abilities against me. If different abilities had been used I may not have been so fortunate, and I may have ended up just another dead Jedi.

[Kagemusha]

Yes.I am a jedi master Zan Finnay and i am saber oriented master and i have been giving investigation results to pevergreen ever since i learned an investigation power. For those scans i have Level II and Level IV scans. About the Ataru. No there isnt anything to it. I now have learned all saber forms and the forms themselves are open to anyone but its the use of certain forms which might push you towards dark side. Should i next post all my investigation results in the public thread so the Dark One and the Sith can read those from here?

[Csargo]

I'm not feeling the whole vote Kage thing. Vote: ByzantineKnight

[Nightbringer]

Okay, I am going to vote:Khazaar

Lets start with a post analysis, I have gathered every post he made in the game here, which was quite easy given their number. Still, he does consistently seem aware of what is going on in the game, and has voted in all but two rounds. Not a bad strategy for a sith lord. Missing a round or two can add an appearence of disinterest while also avoiding the lurk list.

Vote: Cecil XIX, this the randomgods will...

First day, random, not much to say about this.

I think any sort of public information is useful for town, even when the sith gain information too. I presume the sith are well informed already, or have spies so duels aren´t the worst thing that can happen. Jedies can always choose to not kill in a duel.

Random VOTE: Jooray

Here is the first of almost all his posts which advocate doing things adverse to the towns interests. Giving out information does help the sith, and sith are also likely to survive duels, especialyl if the jedi chooses a nonlethal option as he sugegsts. We also still are not sure whether a sith would even be revealed in a duel. Not direct scum yet but with posts to come it certainly does fit the trend.

What? Vote: ATHIS

Set Phasers to stun...

A vote on ATHIS for little reason. ATHIS mearly gave a somewhat nonsensicle post, with more than one vote and unvote in it. This is odd but clearly not scum behavio as no sith would be so careless. However, it does give Khazaar a perfect excuse to sneak in a vote here without gaining attention.

I think the claimed detective probably has to go next, but for now... Vote: Ignoramus

Here is is advocating getting rid of a detetive. True it was only claimed, but as falsly claiming a role like this has little use for sith, simply bringing them into the spotlight, this is again simply a convienient pretext for anti town encouragment. JNote that he is also not commiting a vote to it yet, but simply testing the waters to see if that course of action will work out. For the time being thoguh, he votes on the easy ignoramous bandwagon. This also allows him to target a pro town vigilante role that he knows killed his apprentice Beskar, but in a way that will not put suspicion on him.

That revive was rather lame, either we lynch a known Sith over and over again or ignore him and try to find the Reviver. Have to go with the latter...

Vote: Ignoramus

A cautious argument to keep Beskar around, hoping to keep his apprentice alive for a little longer. He also seems to be aware of the infinite revilval potential of the Dark One. Information that was not available for long after this post. Perfect information?
He is also continueing to vote iggy, still a strong bandwagon he can hide in.

@peever: That´s a bunch of bs. If we loose a master a new one will be promoted, as a townie he shouldn´t be so fearful of death. The reply seems uberscummy...

Vote: Ignoramus

Here he is once again voting iggy, which is still a safe vote, but also attempting to invalidate the defense of iggy being a master by saying that he will simpyl be replaced.

Vote: Ignoramus I presume it´s between him and Jooray. Since the only obvious clue from the writeups is the red lightsaber I think we need to check the people that claimed vig/master/investigator stuff since none of that actually bore any fruit other than dead Jedi. Lynching inactives is close second, but maybe ATPG will wog them anyway so we don´t need to waste a vote...

With the iggy case begining to go downhill he throws in this beautiful "I presume" to encourage keeping the vote centered on these two powerful roles that are working against the sith. He also again advocates attacking powerful pro town roles while justifieing it with the lack of good results so far. This may be a reason to not go along with investigations, but it is not a grweat treason to actually kill the investigators. He is also throwing in his future case of targeting inactives to test the waters.

Vote: TinCow, he replaced Jolt who hasn´t voted in five turns in a row. I presume it´s because of the importance of the role, so I´m hoping that it´s a badguy...

This is a pretty thin escuse for a vote.

@ Peever: You had two investigaters on one person tonight? Do you have a list of results that you can publish? How about people that should have been Wogged but haven´t. I still think TinCow should have never gotten that role, rather the role should have been removed by ATPG. So why didn´t that happen?

Vote: TinCow

Once again trying to get as much town information as possible. He is also continueing this odd line of reasoning, that appears to make sense, allowing him to avoid suspicion, but makes little sense when you realize pizza was still replacing people as standard practice at this point.

Skooma Addict replaces civplayah, who asked to be replaced.
Tincow replaces Jolt, who has failed to vote more than 5 days in a row.

Lynching inactives isn´t the worst idea, looking at people who have been replaced even though they should have been wogged probably isn´t either. The so called solid information (investigations) hane´t been all that sucsessful. Maybe it´s time for a new aproach Vote: Tincow

Once again dismissing investigations, not suspicious given ther unhelpful nature, but also not helpful to the town as investigation would not exist if they had absolutely NO value. He is also continueing against Tincow with his very questionable case.

We all know protestvoting leads to the darkside, blurring the boundaries between light and darkness...

Vote: robbiecon

And now he has gone back to the random voting, seeing that the Tincow case has not picked up much attention. He is using a flimsy reason here, but backing it up with a fluff reason, easy to slip by with.



He has voted on every single Iggy bandwagon. While not inherently scummy, it does begin to appear so combined with the attempts to bring suspicion on all pro town roles and to draw out as much town info as possible.

Iggy is almost surely a known killer of sith, killing Beskar twice. It would be greatly in the interest of a sith Lord to vote For this target whenever he can do so without suspicion.

He also voted for Tincow many times. Once again this allowed him to hide safely in bandwagons while also fulfilling his goal of getting rid of a pro town role.
But now that those two targets have lost popularity or credibility, he has gone back to voting basically randomly, , on robiecon, as he did in the first couple of rounds. This can be an effective way to hide, especially when supported by fluf style explanation like he did.


I also think it is quite possible for the Sith Master to have started among the initiates, alowing him to be a bit more blended into the crowd.

Pever, do you know anything about Khazaar? I certainly think he is scum, and think his history supports that, but having some investigation or other kind of info from you would really help.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well seeing how I don't want to get WOG'd, I guess I better start making my abstaining official. Vote: Abstain

[Diamondeye]

I've not been told of any vigilante attacks. These are all new to me.

I don't know if that relieves me or worries me...

I can't account for most of the kills. 3 people have told me what lightsaber colours they have and that they can kill. Purple, blue and green.

Mine's emerald, and I told you.

Anyone think there is merit to this?

Might be. It's worth giving a shot, at least(!)

Before I think we can say anything about this, we need to find out how many people that are left here that has not been attacked. It's a good thing to mark down who has been attacked and who has not. However it is missing one thing and that is a logical explanation why ATPG why wish to place the sith lord / dark one among the high ranking jedi.

I'm not sure that's a flawless plan; you can be attacked by a vigilante and still be scum, and only a few who have been attacked by sith are alive, or so is my impression.

Btw, I feel a little strange that none of you have left a comment about the Ataru appearance in the writeups.. does that mean there is nothing to it ?

I don't know for sure whether there's a case there.
When was the Ataru sith kill? Which apprentice was alive by then? Did that apprentice master Ataru? Did that apprentice have two red blades on any other occassion?
It might be that the reason it has not reared its head again is simply that the Sith Ataru is dead, although it might also be the Sith master, in which case Psychonaut is a fabulous lynch.

Before I start, I want to get this off my chest: Brotherhood is amazing. I probably would have played it till the sun got up if my mom didn't tell me to get off.

I've got it waiting for me, only just tried the very beginning and I'm already hooked. Looking forward to when I have some more time to waste on it..!

Also, there is snow on my front lawn. On December 4th. In North Carolina. Normally, we don't get snow till mid-January.

Check the Danish weather, we've been flooded in it for the last two weeks or so. It's incredibly annoying...

ByzKnight: (4) Ignoramus, Warman, Tincow, Frozen

Tincow: (2) Jarema, Chaotix

Psychonaut: (2) Diamondeye, God Emperor

Frozen: (1) WEW

Diamondeye: (1) Kagemusha

Seon: (1) Diana

Double A: (1) Yaseikhaan

Kagemusha: (1) Beefy

Abstain: (1) Double A



14 voters, not enough to lynch. Day continues until midnight tonight.

Kagemusha retracted his vote against me
I consider that enough of an apology. When I answered yesterday before going to bed I was quite insulted at just how think you thought I were, Kage

Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

I agree. unvote, vote: Kagemusha

Vote: Diamondeye

What.

[Diamondeye]

Kagemusha retracted his vote against me
I consider that enough of an apology. When I answered yesterday before going to bed I was quite insulted at just how thick you thought I were, Kage

Fixxed speeling.

[Beefy187]

Guys. Vote for Kage. At least until we hear him out.
Voting for someone else, or abstaining is not going to help.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Guys. Vote for Kage. At least until we hear him out.
Voting for someone else, or abstaining is not going to help.

Ok, Unvote; Vote: Kage

[Kagemusha]

Guys. Vote for Kage. At least until we hear him out.
Voting for someone else, or abstaining is not going to help.

And what do you want to hear? Everyone including the mafia knows now who i am now. Im not saying anything else in the thread, as im not that thick. If you are a force ghost and want to hear more contect me privately. Thats all you are getting out from me.

[Beefy187]

And what do you want to hear? Everyone including the mafia knows now who i am now. Im not saying anything else in the thread, as im not that thick. If you are a force ghost and want to hear more contect me privately. Thats all you are getting out from me.

Ok, I'm not a good mafia hunter and your probably going to talk me out of it.
Anyhow I decided to vote for you before that reveal. So whatever you say isn't going to make me change my vote.
I think your the Dark one.

But I would like you to answer these questions for the sake of discussion and to convince others.

1. Whos your top three suspects at this stage and why?
2. Why didn't you vote last day phase? Why has no one voted for you thus far?
3. Why weren't you attacked despite pever revealing you couple days ago.
4. If your the mafia who would you attack tonight?
5. Why do you think those people died yesterday.

Don't answer it if you don't want to. These questions are shoddy and I'm not the player whos capable of doing questioning but it may enhance the declining discussion.

[TinCow]

And what do you want to hear? Everyone including the mafia knows now who i am now. Im not saying anything else in the thread, as im not that thick. If you are a force ghost and want to hear more contect me privately. Thats all you are getting out from me.

That makes no sense at all. You've already been exposed, you'd better defend yourself.

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

[naut]

Yes.I am a jedi master Zan Finnay and i am saber oriented master and i have been giving investigation results to pevergreen ever since i learned an investigation power. For those scans i have Level II and Level IV scans. About the Ataru. No there isnt anything to it. I now have learned all saber forms and the forms themselves are open to anyone but its the use of certain forms which might push you towards dark side. Should i next post all my investigation results in the public thread so the Dark One and the Sith can read those from here?

That isn't a Mafia response. Mafia get twitchy and jittery and nervous. Maybe Kage is refined enough to hid his nervousness, but I don't buy it.

[Kagemusha]

That makes no sense at all. You've already been exposed, you'd better defend yourself.

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

Revealing information for the Sith to read does not make sense at all. FOS Tincow

[TinCow]

Revealing information for the Sith to read does not make sense at all. FOS Tincow

You have no method of defending yourself other than disclosing important information?

Also, why did you get Level IV investigation if you concentrate on Lightsabers? That seems like a very advanced power for someone who's not Force focused.

[Renata]

ByzKnight: (4) Ignoramus, Warman, Tincow, Frozen

Tincow: (2) Jarema, Chaotix

Psychonaut: (2) Diamondeye, God Emperor

Frozen: (1) WEW

Diamondeye: (1) Kagemusha

Seon: (1) Diana

Double A: (1) Yaseikhaan

Kagemusha: (1) Beefy

Abstain: (1) Double A



14 voters, not enough to lynch. Day continues until midnight tonight.

Woot. My master plan not to have 24 hour days on weekends succeeds. :D

[Kagemusha]

You have no method of defending yourself other than disclosing important information?

Also, why did you get Level IV investigation if you concentrate on Lightsabers? That seems like a very advanced power for someone who's not Force focused.

Because as i said before i already have learned all the saber forms as i am the 4th senior Jedi master right now. I have disclosed what information i have to Beefy and your fishing will not result anything other then cast a shadow of suspicion towards you.Vote: Tincow

[ByzantineKnight]

TinCow is too agressive against others when there isn't much proof...

And being focused on saber doesn't mean you don't get force powers, its random... And just between you and me (and I guess the rest of the thread), my chosen path hasn't given me nearly as many upgrades as my non-focused one

From what I gather, he's had investigation for quite a while, he is probably just gotten minorly lucky (or unlucky depending on what he wanted) with the upgrades he got...

Unvote; Vote: TinCow You know far to little about how the upgrades work for someone who didn't start with a bunch of powers to begin with...

[TinCow]

And being focused on saber doesn't mean you don't get force powers, its random... And just between you and me (and I guess the rest of the thread), my chosen path hasn't given me nearly as many upgrades as my non-focused one

That's interesting. I haven't gotten a single power from my non-focused area. You seem to be bucking the odds.

From what I gather, he's had investigation for quite a while, he is probably just gotten minorly lucky (or unlucky depending on what he wanted) with the upgrades he got...

I expect that the Sith Master would have had investigation from the start.

B]Unvote; Vote: TinCow[/B] You know far to little about how the upgrades work for someone who didn't start with a bunch of powers to begin with...

What?

[TinCow]

Because as i said before i already have learned all the saber forms as i am the 4th senior Jedi master right now. I have disclosed what information i have to Beefy and your fishing will not result anything other then cast a shadow of suspicion towards you.Vote: Tincow

So, you claim you only got Investigation IV after you'd obtained all the saber forms?