Apology accepted.Originally Posted by TinCow
I hope you would ponder a bit also about the other things i said in my post too.
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Apology accepted.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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The problem is Kage, that we don't know enough about the sith.
I had a case pointed out to me earlier, and I spent over an hour going through writeups and PMs and posts, all to conclude that...it was still possible.
The fact is, we don't know what the sith can or can not do. We know they can't learn light side powers once becoming a sith. It is unlikely that investigations are a light side power though. If we go back and look at the night actions for each night, the sith could easily be investigating, and posing as someone.
Without the dual-GM investigation, no one is 100% jedi, unless force ghosted. Even a sith can become a force ghost, but thankfully, no sith force ghosts yet.
We have 19 people alive, and 3 confirmed anti-town roles alive, who knows how many dark jedi.
Unvote: Warman, Vote: Kage
I'm sorry, but I believe this is the best course of action that leads to a non-sith victory.
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Really guys? Lynch TinCow... He's trying way too hard to be helpful
RIP Tosa, I can't believe you are gone, but we will never forget you
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So you prepared to kill basically anyone at this point who is powerful, without a second thought? What happens when all the powerful pro town people are dead? The Sith and the Dark one will kill the rest with ease. With this rate of night kills. You cant afford to lynch wrong people. You and i both know that i asked for you to get me scanned the same time i revealed at you. Why didnt you have that done? As i said in pm already.I cant understand your motivations and dont trust your judgement either at this point. I have to ask from you also as from the write up it reveals that the ones that attacked me were using dark side powers and also some of them atleast were cloaked. Did you set that attack up? If you did, then i have to think that you are played by the Sith or the Dark One, as your actions have got quite a lot people already killed.
I can count for each and every night action of mine. Tell when i have acquired what power and you have knowledge of lot what i ahve been doing. Still you dont even give me a change to redeem myself in the eyes of the town. Have it occurred to you that maybe you are yourself influenced by the mafia who may be playing you a fool?
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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With all due respect, if Joooray could be killed at night, I don't think a Master, even one as strong as you, has a good chance at surviving a determined attack. I see no chance whatsoever for the Jedi to win via night actions. Victory has to come through lynching.
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From the people so far suggested,I think i was wrong with Tincow yesterday as it would seem he is somewhat objective, or then fooling me with a great act. But i think the best case right now is to Vote: Khazaar.Apart the case Nightbringer has shown. Late yesterday when majority were voting me he decided not to join the wagon, but instead decided to vote Diana Abnoba, who has been unresponsive for ages.EDIT:
That is only because town is so disorganized. For example why wasnt anyone protecting Jooray last night? For example Ignoramus.Maybe pever or Beefy could answer that? If we are not accounted for at slightest, nor we have any coordination in our night orders.I dont believe we can win. That is not an excuse to kill powerfull pro town people, unless it really is an excuse and the mafia are playing the town from inside out.
Last edited by Kagemusha; 12-07-2010 at 16:36.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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Yes, I think this is obvious by now.
If what you said is true, that would mean the sith Lord himself is one of the three who got beaten so easily. I consider that an impossibility.
vote: Kagemusha , FOS: God Emperor[Ignoramus is] such a little sith/dark jedi
Zan Finnay's ability to wishstand three attackers with ease points to him being the Sith Lord. It was the Dark One who killed the Grandmaster, as evidenced by the mechanical breathing. Giving scanning results to the town is no defense: A Sith master wouldn't scan his starting apprentice in the first place; it's a harmless way to build townie cred.
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I have said for multiple days now that the town is killing itself, and that it needs to stop.
I know you asked to be scanned, but you know scans can't prove anything. You're demanding proof that you yourself have stated cannot be obtained.
My motivations are simple. I want a town victory, and I want to know everything about this game (mechanics, force powers etc). I can't get the latter until the former is either lost or achieved.
Level 1 cloak means nothing, level 2 cloak, like joooray used, is a dark side aligned force power, however, he was counteracting it.
Its not possible for the sith to have been playing me game long. If they were to have posed as an investigator, say like you could have, no single person has been an influence.
You can tell us what you did each night, but the fact is unless you appear in the writeup, it can be faked. Even then, unless you appear performing two actions, you can still be lieing.
For anyone that isnt sith to win, the sith need to die. If the town continues killing at random, it will lose. If we avoid lynching anybody because there isnt proof, or because they have force breath, the town will lose.
If we prolong the game long enough for the grand master to obtain the only way to prove innocence/guilt, then we have a chance, along with good old fashioned in thread stuff.
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Well Cecil.Why did not you, pever or Beefy organize protection for Jooray? Also what is that nonsense about scanning a starting apprentice? you can contact Beefy or pever and get all the results i have got from investigations and you can count from there when i have started scanning people. Gah!
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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You yourself said that the grandmaster can find the dark one and the Sith lord via scan. Im sorry but what is this BS?You say other things and act otherwise. You know i havent advocated vig killings and wanted to get myself scanned by the grandmaster scan. I am a sword focused master and have you seen such swordplay any night that i showed to you last night? The case against me just does not add up, so i cant understand why you are advocating it.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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I can easily answer that, because of attitudes like yours (no offence) its impossible for me to co-ordinate reliable pro-town actions, because I constantly get labeled as useless/unhelpful when I'm doing the best I can within the limits of the game. I will not get WoG'd and banned from the games of a host again due to a Pro Town Network.
As for beefy/cecil - Cecil has been basically mute, no communication to me since his death, even when I opened up info sharing to him and beefy and gave them everything i had. Beefy is beefy and I love him.
Force Oblivion is the top tier of sith powers. It is troublesome that it is now being used.
A point of interest: Why has there been no more revives of sith?
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This may be true, but you don't automatically gain every single power once you become grandmaster. Neither Joooray, nor I believe Ig, have the force powers required to do the scan. We have to wait for Ig to aquire them.
Its like saying a jedi master can use a roleblocking power. Why can't everyone roleblock now? Because not everyone has the force power.
Last edited by pevergreen; 12-07-2010 at 16:50.
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Yes, I've seen them. Only three of them oddly enough. I also know you were using an active ability on night one.
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FoS: Kage, Diana
Town should try to lynch our old suspects
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From Jedi holocron.
This One may become so powerful that he or she cannot be detected by any of the usual senses. I am not strong enough to sense this one except to know that he or she is here. But, it may be possible for a Jedi Grandmaster to continue my work, and locate this Dark Lord of the Sith. They will be the only ones powerful enough to penetrate the fog of the Dark Side. We cannot destroy this one in time, I feel.... the Force has already shown me that my death approaches and there are no turns.About time the town knew this.I have determined from the security holograms that there are Two Sith.... a Master and an Apprentice. The Master is the main threat, the Apprentice is not nearly as powerful as the Master. When the Master is slain, the Apprentice becomes the new Master, and will try to recruit another Apprentice from the susceptible Jedi.
If the Apprentice is slain, the Master will have a much easier time converting Jedi, because their ability to convert is stronger (when they gain Mind Control).
There is also another.... the powerful one I sense.... The Dark One.
This one is immune to almost all investigations, and will only be found when a Jedi Grandmaster uses Investigation III and Investigation IV against the Dark One simultaneously. That will see through his or her powerful cloak and also reveal what is hidden in the deepest recesses of his or her mind.
I feel something terrible will happen to us all if the Dark One is not caught. The Dark One has the power to use Force Reanimation.... which can revive a Sith no matter how long they have been dead.
If the Dark One is not stopped, it will be IMPOSSIBLE TO DESTROY THE SITH!!!
Once again, he or she will be able to fool all investigations.... except the combination of the two most powerful investigations, which are Force Persuasion and Force Far Sight.
Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability, can actually detect this one, and Persuasion is able to determine conclusively... not only will the Dark One be on the Dark Side, but their strength with the Dark Side will be unmatched, and they will be immune to Sith recruitment.
Far Sight alone may..... be able to determine that there is something wrong, but it won't be any different from scanning anyone else on the Dark Side. The only way to know for sure is to use Force Persuasion at the same time.
I do not know what to do. Should I tell the Jedi that their investigations are all but useless against the Dark One?
I do know this, however.... the Dark One is not like the other Two Sith.... they seem to be enemies. They both wish to destroy the Jedi, but the Dark One seeks to destroy the Sith Lords as well, and become the Last One Standing on this vessel....
The Dark One.... so powerful is he, that he can break through almost any protection power that is known to us. His defenses are also such that it will be highly improbable to defeat him at night without assistance. The Dark One is the single most powerful being in the galaxy.... only a Grandmaster could hope to penetrate his defenses alone.
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Thanks a lot. And how many nights you had time to get Jooray to scan me? Well you certainly had time to blabber me to the open.Maybe it somehow escaped you that when i first presented myself to you i told you i would help anyway i could. You know Scan II was not my only ability. Now then you have the audacity to blame me for your own lack of ability to gather town. Thank you again.
Maybe you should ask then those results from Beefy as it would seem that pever cant even gather information from his own pm´s. Also its strange no one ever bothered to ask me what i used night one.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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Thank you pever, there's actual hard evidence against Kage right there.
The above says that Investigation III is Force Persuasion and Investigation IV is Force Far Sight. It also says that Force Far Sight (Investigation IV) is a Jedi GM-only ability. Kage is not the Jedi GM, but he claims to have Investigation IV:This one is immune to almost all investigations, and will only be found when a Jedi Grandmaster uses Investigation III and Investigation IV against the Dark One simultaneously. That will see through his or her powerful cloak and also reveal what is hidden in the deepest recesses of his or her mind.
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Once again, he or she will be able to fool all investigations.... except the combination of the two most powerful investigations, which are Force Persuasion and Force Far Sight.
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Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability, can actually detect this one, and Persuasion is able to determine conclusively... not only will the Dark One be on the Dark Side, but their strength with the Dark Side will be unmatched, and they will be immune to Sith recruitment.
Kage claims a power he cannot have.
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I can put my head on the platter that Force Persuasion- Senses if someone can be turned to the Dark Side. (investigation IV) (ACTIVE Ability)
Is what it is. Again Tincow this is the second time you start making up things condemning me.I have said i have II and IV and im not a grandmaster.
Last edited by Kagemusha; 12-07-2010 at 17:10.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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Please explain how I am making things up. You claim to have Investigation IV. The bit pever quoted specifically says that Investigation IV is a Jedi-GM only ability. You are not the Jedi GM. How can you have Investigation IV?
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Please then read again. It says Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability.IV is force persuasion, so force far sight must be then III
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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Vote: Kagemusha
Same case as yesterday, plus the fact that no one should be strong enough to withstand three attacks, two of which came from fighters of equal skill.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer: The Gameroom
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FOS Chaotix, little slip there maybe? Are you one of the dark side users that attacked me?
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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Seems odd to me that Investigation III would be Jedi-GM only, but the more powerful Investigation IV would be available to everyone. Can one of the Force Ghosts please clarify this?
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True. I've not had contact with any player claiming to have investigation III. I started with I, and on night 1 got upgraded to IV.
You continually insulting me aside, it may be the fact that its late night (quarter past two), but the end of that first line makes no sense to me.
I didn't know you were scanned last night. I know what you have claimed to have done.
Why are you asking when I had time to get joooray to scan you, after I just told you he didn't have the powers.
Or as they say while playing an online game nowadays "Herp derp derp, me no listen."
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TC: I personally think ATPG just messed that bit up, yet I find it unlikely that he would have. Again, I've not seen anyone with Investigation 3, only 1, 2 and 4. Guess we wait until Ig gets it and then hopefully it is III, otherwise its V and its a typo galore.
Last edited by pevergreen; 12-07-2010 at 17:19.
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Well what i can say abotu IV is that it is not that powerful, it tells you if someone is suspectible to dark side and if you can sense dark side in the scan target, while investigation II which i learned earlier tells you if someone is strong with light side of force.
EDIT: pever i am sorry but i never knew that Jooray could not scan me. When you said that grandmaster could do so.I thought you meant he really could do so.That is why i have been insisting for such scan. I think in the end this is at large just about that we dont work that great together.Im sorry if i insulted you, but claiming me to be uncooperative, when i have been nothing but cooperative felt the same way to me.
Last edited by Kagemusha; 12-07-2010 at 17:23.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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Well, that confirms that IV is not GM-only right there, so regardless of the reason for the odd numbering my claim is disproved. I apologize again.
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Its a major problem with: the internet, text only conversations, cultural and language differences.
Its all in the game Kage, I think you're a cool guy.
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Apology accepted again.Well, that confirms that IV is not GM-only right there, so regardless of the reason for the odd numbering my claim is disproved. I apologize again.
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
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Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemies?
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This is WIFOM. Requesting to be scanned was irrelevant because the GM was killed last night. Since it was not publicly known that Joooray couldn't find the Dark Lord with his powers, the Dark Lord would have expected that he was able to do so. Thus, Joooray could have been killed to prevent you from being IDed as the Dark Lord, or he could have been killed to prevent him from clearing you as the Dark Lord. It is impossible to know which is true, so it is simple WIFOM that should be discarded.
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Not at all. If I had attacked you as well, you wouldn't still be living, Sith.
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