[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I put my vote on the candidate who is a best at mafioso trying to avoid gaining a profile and at least utterly useless to the town.

I find Double A to be useful when he's not abandoning mafia to play video games.

But that doesn't really have much to do with his likeliness of being guilty or not. I've grown tired of punishing lurkers for being lurkers, and lynching certain people early because "at least we won't miss them as much". That's a great way to kill off players who might have lucked out and finally gotten a good, valuable pro-town role, and then they die immediately. That's tons of fun, and also wins tons of games.

If we're going to lynch anyone it should be random or based on in-game behavior, not past game behavior.

[ULC]

Unvote:, Vote:Seon

I don't like abstainers. Also - see previous reasoning.

[PershsNhpios]

Again good points, perhaps you misunderstand my vote on Warman - it is because he is active on the forums and not here in-game, which I see as counter-productive, which is the most anti-town behaviour so far displayed. Everyone else has voted or is absent altogether from the org.

It's not personal, and the vote will be removed when he joins in.

I remain against a random vote because there is naturally a greater chance of lynching a townie than a mafioso.

I'm off for a while now, time for someone else to make waves. Thanks ATPG.

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4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Jarema, Yaropolk, Sasaki)

4 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn, autolycus)

3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Rebel Jeb)

3 YLC (Choxorn, Beefy187, Ironside)

2 johnhughtom (Winston Hughes, ATPG)

2 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor)

2 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar)

2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)

2 Seon (DeathisYonder, YLC)

1 Insanious (pevergreen)

1 Skooma (Diamondeye)

1 Choxorn (A.C.I.N.)

1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)

1 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)

1 Khazaar (Khazaar)

1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)

1 pevergreen (Insanious)

1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)

1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)

1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)

1 dcmort93 (Double A)

5 Abstaining (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber)


41/47 players having voted this round

[Askthepizzaguy]

out of everyone else I prefer JTH to be lynched.

What changed your mind? You're still fairly close to being lynched; so it's not due to lack of pressure.

[classical_hero]

fos:ATPG No one changes their vote that often this early in the game, unless they are scum.

[Jarema]

To make things more equal...
unvote, vote: abstain

[Chaotix]

Questions for the host: Will alignment be revealed on death; what is the result of a tie vote?

Alignments are revealed on death, yes.

As for tie votes: you'll have to get one and find out.

[Double A]

To make things more equal...
unvote, vote: abstain

Voting abstain in this game is the same as voting present in others. In other words, it has no effect other than saving you from an early WoG.

[Seon]

Voting abstain in this game is the same as voting present in others. In other words, it has no effect other than saving you from an early WoG.

O RLY?

[Double A]

O RLY?

YA RLY

[Seon]

YA RLY

NO WAI!

[Double A]

SRSLY

[Jarema]

Voting abstain in this game is the same as voting present in others. In other words, it has no effect other than saving you from an early WoG.

It could also serve as a method of waiting. I use it as a temporary solution, it is more aestethic IMO than only unvoting

[PershsNhpios]

You cannot possibly know the aestethicity of an action without an aestethiscope.

[Nightbringer]

ANYWHO...

How long are the night phases going to be? I don't see it in the rules post. I'm assuming 24 hours like the day phase?

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote ACIn

Outback Steakhouse is an insult to Australian Cuisine nothing in the place is Australian. Just looking at the menu makes my Australian blood boil. :P

[Winston Hughes]

fos:ATPG No one changes their vote that often this early in the game, unless they are scum.

In some cases, not changing votes is far scummier. This is one of those cases.

unvote; vote: classical_hero

[Rebel Jeb]

Unvote: Vote: ATPG

;)

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote ACIn

Outback Steakhouse is an insult to Australian Cuisine nothing in the place is Australian. Just looking at the menu makes my Australian blood boil. :P

This is true. I apologize for my terrible taste in food. In my defense, I am American however. I will understand if you wish to keep your vote on me and if your vote and Rebel Jeb's combined with bad luck make me the first lynch I accept full consequences due to my poor eating habits.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Also, Unvote; Vote: YLC I'm not going to be 'that guy' who puts his vote on the person he is tied with so that he doesn't get killed. I'm going to be 'that guy' who makes another person tied to the lynch and has to sweat over it as well. More lulz that way imo.

[Beefy187]

I just scanned down until I saw someone I wanted to random vote for that wasn't Beefy.

I don't feel loved anymore...

Unvote, Vote: Double A

Hi AA!

[Askthepizzaguy]

fos:ATPG No one changes their vote that often this early in the game, unless they are scum.

Well this is nonsense.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2530794

Here, read this first round. Tell me who was the scumbag afterward.

Name one game where a mafioso switched their vote a lot on round one. Bonus points if it was a game I was in.

[TinCow]

Name one game where a mafioso switched their vote a lot on round one. Bonus points if it was a game I was in.

So, you're claiming you're not a mafioso because you're acting in a way a mafioso would never act? Perhaps the question should "name one game where a mafioso used WIFOM in round one."

[Romanic]

Hi, I'm late to the party.

vote: acin

Talking about steak is useless.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, you're claiming you're not a mafioso because you're acting in a way a mafioso would never act? Perhaps the question should "name one game where a mafioso used WIFOM in round one."

No, I'm pointing out that his theory "No one changes their vote that often this early in the game, unless they are scum" doesn't have any basis in reality.

There's no attempt at WIFOM in my statement, Tincow, and I know you know that.

It would be WIFOM if I had said "No mafioso would ever do that, so I must be innocent". I never said any such thing. But if someone said "only a mafioso would abstain on round one" and used that as a reason to vote for someone who abstained, and someone pointed out that such reasoning has no leg to stand on, it would not be WIFOM to state such a fact.

[Romanic]

Updated tally.

4 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn, autolycus)
4 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor, Captain Blackadder, Romanic)
4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Yaropolk, Sasaki, Rebel Jeb)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Ironside, ACIN)
3 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar, Winston Hughes)
3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Beefy187)
2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)
2 Seon (DeathisYonder, YLC)
2 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)
1 johnhughtom (ATPG)
1 Insanious (pevergreen)
1 Skooma (Diamondeye)
1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)
1 Khazaar (Khazaar)
1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)
1 pevergreen (Insanious)
1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)
1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)
1 dcmort93 (Double A)
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6 Abstaining (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber, Jarema)
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44/47 players having voted this round

(Glenn, I removed white lines in your format. This is taking unnecessary space. You can contact my lawyers.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

With the current tally, you will not lynch any mafiosi.

There are 6 realistic candidates for the lynch, nine if you include those with two votes. I expressed my distaste with mass wagons in the previous game, but here there is the opposite tactical situation. Unless you're waiting for a flinch, the time has come to decide who dies, of those candidates, and put more votes on them so that the lynch cannot be overturned.

The only case against ACIN is that he doesn't play the way you'd like him to. It's not a case for being guilty, but cutting your losses. Double A could have put more pressure on me and did not, and as such I'm inclined to return the favor (this time). YLC is the same way. Case on warman is that he's been active elsewhere but isn't voting. Possible he's waiting until the last minute to spare himself but I find such a tactic unlikely from him. I could expect him to get lynched without noticing or saving himself, frankly. Case on me is nonexistent/random candidate.

Classical hero tossing suspicion on me without following up with a vote is inconsistent, and has an outside chance of being motivated by scummery.

As such, the only decent case I see is Hero.

unvote, vote: Classical_hero

[ULC]

I'll agree with ATPGs reasoning for now, although I suppose Warman another decent option in the "cut your losses" category.

Unvote:, Vote: classical_hero

Also, ATPG you should know by now that the threat of death is only a minor annoyance for me. In any case, JHT was a "if I have to pick someone" vote. To many people tied present problems in effectively lynching anyone, and thus reducing town effectiveness. It's day 1, I'd like not to set a trend.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, ATPG you should know by now that the threat of death is only a minor annoyance for me.

It matches your typical behavior, but it was still worth questioning. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Yaropolk]

unvote; vote:ACIN

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