[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[DELETE_THIS]

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

[Link]

No, check all of his posts.

Abstain, abstain, not contributing, posting and intentionally not voting. He's not absent, he's either not giving a darn or he's trying to avoid suspicion.

This happened before New Years, plus he doesn't get a pass if he shows up and still doesn't vote.

It's been two day phases and he's posted in both of them, to say nothing both times.

Good point. Then again, you could just be trying to save your scum buddy tincow with this wagon on Nictel. Vote: Abstain

[Greyblades]

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

He's kinda got a point, it is odd that pizza goes on a lengthy tirade on only turn 2 when he's not being bandwagoned.

[Beskar]

The bandwagon is getting reversed?

So I put myself on the line in this game, to actually reveal this information on behalf of an investigator, just so we as the town can strike the mafia hard in day two and you just fail around like total n00bs?

If TinCow doesn't get lynched today, the town deserves to fail, because not lynching him he one of the most moronic moves in existence. We have pretty much 100% proof that TinCow is a mafia, and you are there, voting randomly on people who could just be a random n00b townie.

Sorry Chaotix, your game looks great so far, so nothing being said about you, but seriously town, it is not even funny, get your act together and stop being such fools.

VOTE: TINCOW
It's 99.99999% Certain he is mafia scum

[Secura]

Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy.

It's funny that you say this, because it's the exact feeling I had about someone else adamant about lynching you.

"I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow"

Gameroom culture, unfortunately.

[pevergreen]

I'm sorry Beskar, the big words rule is already being used to get Double A lynched.

You're going to have to wait your turn.

[Beskar]

Let's look at some "arguments" which are so stupid, they need to be countered once and for all.

"Let's roleblock TinCow, and we can get information out of him!"

Why this is a very bad idea?
This is bad on multiple levels.
Who is the roleblocker, does he even exist? Why use up a roleblocker on a known mafia, when he could help against unknown mafia? What information would TinCow ever reveal which will serve any real purpose? "Oh no... don't kill me, I will give you the names of my mafia partners?" ?

"Those investigation results didn't reveal anything, lets ignore them"

This person is either trying to cover for the mafia or just dumb.
The results say "Corrupted Cloud Strife" "Phazon faction". We know the town is GF and Hero faction, and they are not one of them, and Phazon's are bad guys in the Metroid series. In short, the result says "TinCow (Mafia)". That is accurate enough for me and should be for any townie.


"The investigation might be a fake!!111eleven"

Well then, how do you test a fake?
BY LYNCHING THE SUSPECTED MAFIA, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH, IF NOT MAFIA, LYNCH THE INVESTIGATOR!

[Diamondeye]

Gameroom culture, unfortunately.

I usually consider TinCow's posts as pure wisdom.
This does not impede the random.org's chance of making him part of a mafia faction. If he isn't, I'm going to know I can trust his posts fully. But I'm still going to vote him. I'd urge others to join in; part of the lesson ATPG ended SW:FOTO with about bandwagons is that unstoppable bandwagons are bad since they ruin a day's discussion. But it also says that once discussion's through and the day is drawing to a close, you should pick the best case and stick with it. The best case today is TinCow.

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this. I think he's just absent, and could be any role, even a strong protown role. We wouldn't know, because he's silent. I remember starting a Lord Of The Rings game off like this (on CFC). The silent D1 lynch was Aragorn. I'd rather lynch an exposed member of a mafia team.

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Nictel

9 Nictel (ATPGuy, Winston Hughes, sasaki, TinCow, Beefy, YLC, cecil, Death is yonder, khaan)

9 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura, ironside, Diamondeye)

6 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)

1 Insanious (landlubber)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Thefluffyone (Thefluffyone)

1 ATPG (Motep [Did not unvote], Nictel)

1 Motep (God Emperor)

4 Abstaining (Nightbringer, Capt. Blackadder, Motep, Link)

Landlubber is scummy imo.

[Greyblades]

Hmph I've been looking over the posts from the last few days and I have to say I'm a little confused.
My ability (which I cant say anything about even though I'm technically a ghost who's allowed to talk to the town, does that mean death gives you a speech inpediment specificaly about roles?) was stolen and tincow says he has one that might be the same one, because of my impediment I cant confirm this but even if he did, say, know enough to convince me he has the same role, that doesn't mean anything because someone nicked it last night and would know about the ability.

So, theres a role running around with my ability who may be a mafia who can steal abilities of victims or someone else that can steal abilities from dead people. Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities? Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

Also Beskar claims to be working with someone with an investigator role, which I might or might not have had, so theres the possibility that he is being used by the guy who stole my power, if investigate was indeed was my ability, who might be a mafia who steals from his kills, an actual investigator, or samus.

[Secura]

Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities?

As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require judicious the new ability in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.

Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.

[Greyblades]

As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require the new equipment you've acquired in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.

I think I got samus mixed up with kirby, still, this is a mafia adaptation so we can only guess at what she can do.

I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.
That was an attempt at selft depricating humor.

[Secura]

I usually consider TinCow's posts as pure wisdom.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but what the Dickens has that got to do with anything when he's faced with a scan result that says he's mafia? Because he's a good contributor, we should leave him alive regardless of scan results against him?

I love the Gameroom, I really do, but this blind reverance of anything and everything that certain people say is just... frustrating as town or mafia; if it was Beskar revealed in such a manner as TinCow has been, people wouldn't be so hesistant to lynch him, would they?

This isn't a tirade against you DE, by the way. :/

The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.

The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel.

Especially as it's just been the busiest holiday season of the year, I think the lurkers have to be given a little slack at this stage; it shouldn't and won't wash later in the game, though.

[God Emperor]

Unvote; Vote: Tincow , after speaking a bit with Beskar

[pevergreen]

Unvote; Vote: Tincow

Vote: Nictel

Lets go tie, lets go!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this.

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow. That's absolutely something I would do as mafia, because it would.... have an ice cube's chance in hades of working.

I get that I do crazy gambits sometimes, but honestly folks, use your freaking heads please.

Tincow IS probably Mafia. And Beskar knows exactly what I was doing this round, which was trying to extract information from Tincow via the following strategy:

1. I act nice toward Tincow, and try to "save" him
2. Beskar plays bad cop, and puts pressure on him
3. We get someone to reveal that they are mafia to Tincow, with an offer of alliance.

See how TC reacts to this. My bet was he'd react to either 1, 2, or 3, I don't care how awesome he is at these games. It's too tempting to flinch.

Well guess what? Plan failed, and you want to know why? Because people don't have any patience or give me any credit for having an intelligent thought once in a while.

I also don't appreciate having alternative ideas being called dumb. Having a one-track mind in a mafia game is dumb, and demonstrably so.

Thanks for listening.

unvote

Do what you want. I don't care right now.

[DELETE_THIS]

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow.

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

So should you. You don't normally react this way, especially if you're a boring old townie.

Exactly what treasure did I uncover? I am anxious to find out. Rest assured, I will find out.