Ice, Ice Baby no more!

[Fragony]

Yea Europe and undrepresented minority groups which span national borders have such a rich and tolerant history

Saying what, yeah it doesn't get any sicker than European history, but you should know that you are part of it after all it's in your very genes, an accumulating of centuries of mindless violence and pityless cruelty.

But it's still a bad idea though

[Strike For The South]

Saying what, yeah it doesn't get any sicker than European history, but you should know that you are part of it after all it's in your very genes, an accumulating of centuries of mindless violence and pityless cruelty.

But it's still a bad idea though

My genes? lol. My ansectors were quakers when they were kicked out of jolly old. Granted they then killed an uncountable number of natives but we're pretty sure they shot first.

[Fragony]

My genes? lol. My ansectors were quakers when they were kicked out of jolly old. Granted they then killed an uncountable number of natives but we're pretty sure they shot first.

K, nano's then. But it's really a problem, Belgium was nice enough to have the most rediculous immigration-laws in human history so it's their problem for a while, but I wouldn't take it too lightly overall.

[Strike For The South]

K, nano's then. But it's really a problem, Belgium was nice enough to have the most rediculous immigration-laws in human history so it's their problem for a while, but I wouldn't take it too lightly overall.

God forbid you try to reach out to the Gypsies

You did everything wrong with Jews, here is your chance to make it up 1 outta 2 aint bad

I mean srsly does no one look back 70 years and think "Wait, I've seen this episode before" or are people so wrapped up in xenophobia and there warped veiw of social mores that taking a deep breath and considering alternatives would mean the Gypsies win

[Louis VI the Fat]

You did everything wrong with Jews, here is your chance to make it up 1 outta 2 aint bad

There have been thousands of etnic and religious groups in Europe, no0t two.

They are either a) assimilated, b) strong enough to resist assimilation and maiontain a distinct identity, or c) place themselves outside of European civilisation so much they are impervious to assimilation.

'A' is a whole string of groups few have ever heard of because they, well, have assimilated. B and C roughly correspond with your two groups. [/fascism]

[Strike For The South]

There have been thousands of etnic and religious groups in Europe, no0t two.

They are either a) assimilated, b) strong enough to resist assimilation and maiontain a distinct identity, or c) place themselves outside of European civilisation so much they are impervious to assimilation.

'A' is a whole string of groups few have ever heard of because they, well, have assimilated. B and C roughly correspond with your two groups. [/fascism]

So the Jews are B while the Gypsies are C

I'm glad your arbitrary classification system puts them outside the realm of saving. Clearly this thread is over and there is nothing left to talk about.

So the same government who outlaws a song from an irrelevant 90s rapper (who plays a cop now on tv..weird) also takes a run at gypsies, you have mocked one of these things while giving the other a pass, granted you are holding your nose and lamenting the fact that if the gypsies had just been a bit more cooperative this could have been avoided but you are complicit none the less

Why the difference? Is it because the Gypsies are too icky of a topic to take on? Because reaching out to them would cause an introspective on how you do business?

The /facism could mean your joking

[Louis VI the Fat]

So the Jews are B while the Gypsies are C

I'm glad your arbitrary classification system puts them outside the realm of saving. Clearly this thread is over and there is nothing left to talk about.

So the same government who outlaws a song from an irrelevant 90s rapper (who plays a cop now on tv..weird) also takes a run at gypsies, you have mocked one of these things while giving the other a pass, granted you are holding your nose and lamenting the fact that if the gypsies had just been a bit more cooperative this could have been avoided but you are complicit none the less

Why the difference? Is it because the Gypsies are too icky of a topic to take on? Because reaching out to them would cause an introspective on how you do business?

The /facism could mean your joking

In America there are groups outside of mainstream society: Amish, native Americans in reservations, to some extent Mormons. Mormons are integrated and do well, Amish are not but do well too. Native Americans in reservations on the whole are poorly integrated, suffer from a whole host of social problems. They are probably the group most easily comparable with the gypsies in Europe.

Surely the solution is not to 'reach out to them'? How would that work? They place themselves outside of mainstream society if only for the very reason to preserve their identity.

[Furunculus]

There have been thousands of etnic and religious groups in Europe, no0t two.

They are either a) assimilated, b) strong enough to resist assimilation and maiontain a distinct identity, or c) place themselves outside of European civilisation so much they are impervious to assimilation.

'A' is a whole string of groups few have ever heard of because they, well, have assimilated. B and C roughly correspond with your two groups. [/fascism]

good post louis, pretty much sums it up.

to add my thoughts in furtherance of the explanation, which you may or may not agree with.

from the english perspective:

while jews don't integrate nor too do they make demands of conformance from the rest of society, and are grudgingly accepted as an absolutely law-abiding group within wider society.
therefore great tolerance is shown.

while gypsies have limited numbers in Britain they do not integrate, and their marginalised lifestyle is not very economic, the combination of which leads to a perception of criminality among wider society, and thus a burden.
therefore less tolerance is shown.

muslims might have integrated very well, but were imported in such numbers into multi-cultural ghettoes that in the end they have not (in visibly large numbers), in addition to which those poorly integrated elements are percieved as a fount of criminality and terrorism, and worst of all; demanding conformance from the host population that constitutes wider society.
therefore the least tolerance is shown.

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it is that last point that is most telling on how the British receive their immigrant groups, for it boils down to a core attitude that demands non-interference:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mrs_Patrick_Campbell

"Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!"

no group publicly calling for sharia law to be imposed on the rest of us will ever attract much affection in the British.
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and to truthfully state that i make every effort to be a tolerant person does not change the fact that i would have a decided preference on who lives next door to me:

1. western european/angloshere work migrant (here to work rather than to stay, no demands of integration made, broadly compatible in the first place)
2. indian hindu family immigrant (zero crime, perfect kids, will be hard-working, and makes few/no demands of wider society)
3. jewish family (zero crime, perfect kids, will be hard-working, and makes few/no demands of wider society)
4. commonwealth immigrant (broadly compatible culture resulting from shared history makes assimilation easy)
5. brit (could be a work-shy scrounger or a pillar of the community, but familiar and unlikely to murder me for sleeping with his daughter)
6.
7.
8.
9. gypsy family
10. the radicalised population of bradford

Q: is there an explicit generalisation above where i ignore the fact that the vast majority of Britain's muslim community is not radicalised, and basically a law-abiding and hardworking group who want nothing more than to earn a living and provide a future for their kids?
A: sure, but given that i don't get to choose my neighbours beforehand i will continue to discriminate.*

*

–verb (used without object)
1.
to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately: to discriminate between things.
–verb (used with object)
3.
to make or constitute a distinction in or between; differentiate: a mark that discriminates the original from the copy.
4.
to note or distinguish as different: He can discriminate minute variations in tone.
–adjective
5.
marked by discrimination; making or evidencing nice distinctions: discriminate people; discriminate judgments.

[Fragony]

God forbid you try to reach out to the Gypsies

Hey where do you think I spend my new years eve

[Strike For The South]

Hey where do you think I spend my new years eve

I have no idea you cryptic tulip

[Fragony]

I have no idea you cryptic tulip

Well a Roma camp great fun