[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Greyblades]

No you just think they wont try to kill him. I say give him a turn to prove he's helpful to the town if he's useful we keep him him if not we lynch him. Oh and it doesnt matter if he's nk immune as its still a wasted kill if they try.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: Seon; Vote: Renata
I can't believe I took ATPG's pm investigator claims at face value. Gah! That said, I'm willing to work with a serial killer to accomplish town goals.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Read between the lines.

He didn't kill night one, so he has powers we don't know about.

Night two he tried to kill an investigator--I doubt his story for this one. He's much more likely to infiltrate and try and get information out of someone he thinks is mafia than to just off them.

His comments today make it clear that he considers this being forced to work with the town.

This quote is nice:

Shame he trusted me for even one whole round.

And the fact is, if you wanted to "use" him there's no logical reason not to do it for 6+ days or so. Will people who don't want to lynch him today be up in arms to lynch him tomorrow? Of course not.

No you just think they wont try to kill him. I say give him a turn to prove he's helpful to the town if he's useful we keep him him if not we lynch him. Oh and it doesnt matter if he's nk immune as its still a wasted kill if they try.

Why would they try? Please. I don't "just think" I gave good reasons. He's likely to be nk immune or have acquired doc protection, and a likely lynch which helps the mafia. Additionally there are two scum teams and that always makes a bit of wifom about killing. You just believe for no good reason.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night two he tried to kill an investigator--I doubt his story for this one. He's much more likely to infiltrate and try and get information out of someone he thinks is mafia than to just off them.

Wrong; I'm interested in information, but not the kind that comes from the mafia families whose Godfathers I need to destroy.

I don't consider Beskar's detective, who I actually thought was Beskar, to be a reliable source of information (for me). They might be useful to you, but only for removing the Dark Samus team, until proven otherwise.

[woad&fangs]

He didn't kill night one, so he has powers we don't know about.

He can scan for activity/inactivity. On night 1 he claims to have scanned me. Seeing as he correctly identified me as inactive, I am inclined to believe him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He can scan for activity/inactivity. On night 1 he claims to have scanned me. Seeing as he correctly identified me as inactive, I am inclined to believe him.

I felt this early in the game (as with the previous game) those who are active at night are likely to be town power roles, or mafia. The thermal scan is a big indicator of guilt. About half, I'd say, of the active parties, will be guilty. Unless town has a lot of useless powers. A lot of people I've spoken to have no active powers. That said, if you have an active power, it would be a good idea to reveal to Beskar that you do. Thermal scan is actually a fairly common power, and if it finds people are completely inactive, and Samus/etc are active that night, that's process of elimination.

If we can get an idea of how many townies have actual active powers (mafia will lie, so give/take 3-6 for margin of error) then we can use Thermal Scan and identify inactive townies or mafia who are keeping their heads down.

We'll get the inactive mafia soon enough; but we absolutely need to get the ones that kill.

Thermal scan will be less useful in the late game, exactly like Investigation I was useless at the end of my game. Use it now, and coordinate.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I wish I had pm's. What's the votecount?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the votecount?

Glenn: 5 (Cecil, Jarema, Frozen, Insanious, dcmort)
Beefy: 5 (Beefy, Renata, Romanic, Beskar, Seon)
Seon: 5 (Winston, Csargo, pevergreen, DIY, Classical)

Renata: 3 (ATPG, Yaropolk, woad&fangs)

Jarema: 2 (ByzantineKnight, Link

Frozen: 1 (Diamondeye)
Fluffy: 1 (Double A
landlubber: 1 (Glenn)
Csargo: 1 (Khazaar)
pevergreen: 1 (God Emperor)
Winston: 1 (johnhughthom)
Khazaar: 1 (landlubber)
Insanious: 1 (Skooma)
ATPG: 1 (Nictel)

Abstaining: Thefluffyone, Ironside

Just want to point out, I am not messing with the tally. pever never unvoted to vote me. Though if you do see an error, please correct.


I need to leave for work in 2 hours. I would like you guys to tell me where you want my vote by then; it's possible I am not awake/here when the round ends.

I will say that the case on Renata is based on a hunch plus some data, but it's also equally likely if not more likely to be wrong. It's a risky lynch; it's not a slam dunk. But out of all the suspects on this list, I still say Renata is more likely to be who we're looking for than anyone.

I really have no reason to want to see this lynch go badly for the town. That's only going to get me killed faster. I would like it if you got a scumbag this round for very obvious reasons.


Also reminder: please indicate who you want me to assassinate tonight. Come up with two suspects, not just one. Or tell me to investigate. Whichever.

[Winston Hughes]

Deal with the devil, eh?

I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause. Even as I type this, I keep changing my mind about whether it's sane to let you live. I recall having lynched you in vaguely similar situations, and having been glad I did. I also know that you'll be making the same arguments every day from now on, and drawing the focus of each day's discussion onto your own case by your mere presence. On the other hand, it seems clear that the town can benefit greatly from your assistance now that we have you on something of a leash.

Ah, what the hey...

unvote; vote: Renata
(Sorry, old buddy. If you turn out to be innocent, I hope we can look forward to some of your razor-sharp analysis from beyond the grave.)

[Diamondeye]

AT LEAST WE KNOW YOU DON'T CARE WHO DIES TODAY AS LONG AS IT ISN'T A PARTNER, SCUM

I love you, Sasaki

What I meant is that when someone is attacked at night, I don't recall seeing the writeup using the cover role name.

To be clearer, let's say that Beskar would have Jill Valentine as a cover role, but in fact would be Ugly Bad Guy.... I think the writeup would say:

Ugly Bad Guy was attacked (and survived).

and not...

Jill Valentine was attacked (and survived).

I don't recall seeing a writeup showing that the cover role was attacked.

When it comes to investigations (public or not), it's typical to have some players protected against them, and return a cover role instead of the true identity, so I don't consider your example to be good. I still believe that Jill Valentine cannot be a cover role, because she was attacked and the writeup said so.

What you're assuming indicates that the attacker will learn the connection between player name and real (not cover) role. Have you considered that?

May I say something?

Killing me in a lynch is as a bad idea as killing a night investigator in a lynch.

Elaborate

Now, let's up Tincow's little code system so he can't get communications back from his minions.

Hi, I am Tyrannosaurus Flex, and this here would be mah buddy Rubber Ducky. Obviously we're far from loyal minions if I'm revealing our code to you.

Enjoy, it's actually a work of art. Kudos to Tincow. Shame he trusted me for even one whole round.

So I am guessing mister Tincow, in his infinite wisdom, did indeed alter the code slightly for each person. You can probably find similar code-like behavior embedded in people's posts. Anyone with a lot of time on his hands (HI!!! MY NAME IS PIZZAGUY) will look for any such secretive communications.

Sorry mister cow, but it's still a cookiecutter pattern and you'll need to send out new codes now.
....What's that?

You can't???

Awww.

I encourage everyone who has gotten such a code to reveal it publicly, so you can see the master's handiwork. Tincow's moves last round were genius, this time, I intend to show him that he got a wee bit too cocky.

Bad move, Tincrow. Very bad crow.

That is an impressive system you've built there, TinCow. Props
Also, the silent roach croaks at midnight. Past the moon, eighteen doves fly lazily by. It is winter.

Also reminder: please indicate who you want me to assassinate tonight. Come up with two suspects, not just one. Or tell me to investigate. Whichever.

You might want to investigate Seon or Beskar, or, if bloodthirsty,
vigilante kill any unvoters from the TC wagon.

Also, unvote:Frozen, Vote:Renata

Awfully quiet, Renata?

[Ironside]

Now, let's up Tincow's little code system so he can't get communications back from his minions.

Hi, I am Tyrannosaurus Flex, and this here would be mah buddy Rubber Ducky. Obviously we're far from loyal minions if I'm revealing our code to you.

Hah, called it.

Judging from your nice colour coding, Beskar was attacked by a vigi. Probably Agent Tyrannosaurus Flex, unless Tincow got creative with the number coding.

Why would they try? Please. I don't "just think" I gave good reasons. He's likely to be nk immune or have acquired doc protection, and a likely lynch which helps the mafia. Additionally there are two scum teams and that always makes a bit of wifom about killing. You just believe for no good reason.

Colour coded killings means that he's quite traceable despite the two scum teams. Agreed that he should never be alive below 15 left. Do we know if there's a lynch resistance abillity in this game? Like force breath? If it is, then ATPG needs his removed.

Keep night killings to a minimum, the longer we last, the greater our odds. Unlike ATPG.

Unvote: Vote: Renata

If this turns wrong, then sorry Renata.

They could've simply figured ATPG out with simple cover role similarity, but there's probably something more here as well.

[Diamondeye]

I wonder what Chaotix thinks when he finds that we've created a 4-way tie to end the 3-way tie situation

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wonder what Chaotix thinks when he finds that we've created a 4-way tie to end the 3-way tie situation

Don't, just don't. Knowing Chaotix, and my luck, it will be 4 dead townies.

Also, I don't have a lynch immunity. Like you can take my word for it, but there it is. I would die on the first lynch, as hopefully Samus et al will.

[Diamondeye]

Don't, just don't. Knowing Chaotix, and my luck, it will be 4 dead townies.

Also, I don't have a lynch immunity. Like you can take my word for it, but there it is. I would die on the first lynch, as hopefully Samus et al will.

Do you have the Overdrive ability?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do you have the Overdrive ability?

No, I don't. If I gain either power, I will let you know.

Why? Because I have a trustworthy face. I know it's around here somewhere.


edit: All right I'm off. Vote stays on Renata. Don't forget to tell me who to investigate or kill, especially if you have a solid lead on someone.