[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the votecount?

Glenn: 5 (Cecil, Jarema, Frozen, Insanious, dcmort)
Beefy: 5 (Beefy, Renata, Romanic, Beskar, Seon)
Seon: 5 (Winston, Csargo, pevergreen, DIY, Classical)

Renata: 3 (ATPG, Yaropolk, woad&fangs)

Jarema: 2 (ByzantineKnight, Link

Frozen: 1 (Diamondeye)
Fluffy: 1 (Double A
landlubber: 1 (Glenn)
Csargo: 1 (Khazaar)
pevergreen: 1 (God Emperor)
Winston: 1 (johnhughthom)
Khazaar: 1 (landlubber)
Insanious: 1 (Skooma)
ATPG: 1 (Nictel)

Abstaining: Thefluffyone, Ironside

Just want to point out, I am not messing with the tally. pever never unvoted to vote me. Though if you do see an error, please correct.


I need to leave for work in 2 hours. I would like you guys to tell me where you want my vote by then; it's possible I am not awake/here when the round ends.

I will say that the case on Renata is based on a hunch plus some data, but it's also equally likely if not more likely to be wrong. It's a risky lynch; it's not a slam dunk. But out of all the suspects on this list, I still say Renata is more likely to be who we're looking for than anyone.

I really have no reason to want to see this lynch go badly for the town. That's only going to get me killed faster. I would like it if you got a scumbag this round for very obvious reasons.


Also reminder: please indicate who you want me to assassinate tonight. Come up with two suspects, not just one. Or tell me to investigate. Whichever.

[Winston Hughes]

Deal with the devil, eh?

I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause. Even as I type this, I keep changing my mind about whether it's sane to let you live. I recall having lynched you in vaguely similar situations, and having been glad I did. I also know that you'll be making the same arguments every day from now on, and drawing the focus of each day's discussion onto your own case by your mere presence. On the other hand, it seems clear that the town can benefit greatly from your assistance now that we have you on something of a leash.

Ah, what the hey...

unvote; vote: Renata
(Sorry, old buddy. If you turn out to be innocent, I hope we can look forward to some of your razor-sharp analysis from beyond the grave.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause.

It's not lost if I can go for a roll in the hay with the Samus twins before I die.

[Greyblades]

Deal with the devil, eh?

I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause.

You want a lost cause you should have seen me in noble sons 2.

[Seon]

Well, if nothing else, I scanned Renata yesterday and found out that she was using an active ability. It's a weak evidence, but there you go.

Unvote. Vote: Renata

[Frozen In Ice]

I can't completely trust that what you say is true Seon, but this an interesting development indeed. We should go through with the Renata lynch.

[Csargo]

While I'm not sure about the Renata lynch in itself, I am sure that the reason we're lynching her is a bad one. I'm putting my vote back on Unvote:, Vote:ATPG for now.

[thefluffyone93]

Well, after reading through 3 whole pages, I'm still not entirely convinced, but
Unvote; Vote: Renata
Is this vote coming in too late?

[Winston Hughes]

Well, if nothing else, I scanned Renata yesterday and found out that she was using an active ability. It's a weak evidence, but there you go.

Do we have a claim for this ability?

While I'm not sure about the Renata lynch in itself, I am sure that the reason we're lynching her is a bad one.

You're right. Lynching what could be a town power role to save a known villain, based on weak evidence supplied by that villain, and leaving her virtually no chance to respond...

If Renata were around to argue her case, it seems impossible we'd be lynching her instead of ATPG.

unvote; vote: ATPG

You're too good at this, pizza. When even I'm falling for the 'let me live long enough to help' schtick, it shows just how dangerous it is to cut you any slack at all.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

While I'm not sure about the Renata lynch in itself, I am sure that the reason we're lynching her is a bad one. I'm putting my vote back on Unvote:, Vote:ATPG for now.

HMM.

Csargo is pikachu I think. Vote:Csargo

Erm, acually I'm somewhat innactive during the first few turns in large games due to not being able to keep up.

Well, what was going on yesterday with your vote etc?

[Diamondeye]

AT LEAST WE KNOW YOU DON'T CARE WHO DIES TODAY AS LONG AS IT ISN'T A PARTNER, SCUM

I love you, Sasaki

What I meant is that when someone is attacked at night, I don't recall seeing the writeup using the cover role name.

To be clearer, let's say that Beskar would have Jill Valentine as a cover role, but in fact would be Ugly Bad Guy.... I think the writeup would say:

Ugly Bad Guy was attacked (and survived).

and not...

Jill Valentine was attacked (and survived).

I don't recall seeing a writeup showing that the cover role was attacked.

When it comes to investigations (public or not), it's typical to have some players protected against them, and return a cover role instead of the true identity, so I don't consider your example to be good. I still believe that Jill Valentine cannot be a cover role, because she was attacked and the writeup said so.

What you're assuming indicates that the attacker will learn the connection between player name and real (not cover) role. Have you considered that?

May I say something?

Killing me in a lynch is as a bad idea as killing a night investigator in a lynch.

Elaborate

Now, let's up Tincow's little code system so he can't get communications back from his minions.

Hi, I am Tyrannosaurus Flex, and this here would be mah buddy Rubber Ducky. Obviously we're far from loyal minions if I'm revealing our code to you.

Enjoy, it's actually a work of art. Kudos to Tincow. Shame he trusted me for even one whole round.

So I am guessing mister Tincow, in his infinite wisdom, did indeed alter the code slightly for each person. You can probably find similar code-like behavior embedded in people's posts. Anyone with a lot of time on his hands (HI!!! MY NAME IS PIZZAGUY) will look for any such secretive communications.

Sorry mister cow, but it's still a cookiecutter pattern and you'll need to send out new codes now.
....What's that?

You can't???

Awww.

I encourage everyone who has gotten such a code to reveal it publicly, so you can see the master's handiwork. Tincow's moves last round were genius, this time, I intend to show him that he got a wee bit too cocky.

Bad move, Tincrow. Very bad crow.

That is an impressive system you've built there, TinCow. Props
Also, the silent roach croaks at midnight. Past the moon, eighteen doves fly lazily by. It is winter.

Also reminder: please indicate who you want me to assassinate tonight. Come up with two suspects, not just one. Or tell me to investigate. Whichever.

You might want to investigate Seon or Beskar, or, if bloodthirsty,
vigilante kill any unvoters from the TC wagon.

Also, unvote:Frozen, Vote:Renata

Awfully quiet, Renata?

[Romanic]

What you're assuming indicates that the attacker will learn the connection between player name and real (not cover) role. Have you considered that?

Yeah, I did. It worked like that in every games that I recall, when someone survived a night attack. If a player attack someone and fails, it acts like an investigation result.

Like I said, I can't remember a game where it worked differently.

Zelda (on TWC): Diana was attacked, his attacked knew her identity. Same thing when the neutrals attacked ATPG.

Yeah, I'm sure there's more examples of this, I just can't recall at the moment. Anyways, this possibility seemed the obvious way it should work again in this game, but it's apparently not the case if we believe ATPG.

[pevergreen]

Yeah, I'm sure there's more examples of this, I just can't recall at the moment. Anyways, this possibility seemed the obvious way it should work again in this game, but it's apparently not the case if we believe ATPG.

Worked like that in Koopa Troop. I attacked khaan, got told he was yoshi. He showed as yoshi in the writeup though, and I had special interaction possible with that team so its probably useless...

[Secura]

Is there a finer thing then waking up to MSN beeping away with "LOL, Dark Samus has been pwnd, you have been avenged!"? I'd rather have Ryan Reynolds providing the wakeup call, but you can't have everything. :<

Congratulations town, hopefully you'll leave Pizza around a little longer; not just for the use he'll be, but also the sheer entertainment value!

I also hope Renata will hang around and play the dastardly deceased mafia card alongside TinCow. :P

That's so you.

More than you'll ever know... xD

[Askthepizzaguy]

I need someone with "Scan Visor" to contact Beskar immediately. Someone else claimed to have such a power and I am worried that their description of the ability more closely matches X-ray visor, the same power that was used to take down Tincow.

If so, then the person is lying about having Scan Visor, and is thus mafia.

Please describe in detail to Beskar what it does, exactly.

Was it posted somewhere in-thread already? Please direct me to such a post, instead, if preferable.

[DELETE_THIS]

Oh how nice, I was wrong.
For the scanners out there: I'll be scanning someone tonight.

[Romanic]

Is there a finer thing then waking up to MSN beeping away with "LOL, Dark Samus has been pwnd, you have been avenged!"? I'd rather have Ryan Reynolds providing the wakeup call, but you can't have everything. :<

Congratulations town, hopefully you'll leave Pizza around a little longer; not just for the use he'll be, but also the sheer entertainment value!

There's no denying that Pizza did good yesterday, but not lynching him is delaying the inevitable. Pizza himself said that he cannot win with us, so we will have to lynch him eventually and as the days go by, it may become harder to lynch him if the priority shift to something more important. He's playing to win (he might deny it though) but he would jump on an opportunity to backstab us, if such a thing was possible. Maybe not, with so many of us left, but we can't wait too long.

I'm willing to delay his lynch, as long as we have good cases, and as long as he's not acting suspiciouly, but it will have to happen. Any day we don't have a good lynch candidate will be a good day to lynch Pizza.