[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[TinCow]

I'm sure Beskar and TinCow would like us to believe recruitment is possible, worrying about it all the time, but we have yet to see evidence of it. From my point of view, recruiting would be too easy if each mafia team could recruit in their respective pool (Bowsers-GF and Phazon-IDFH). If it's possible, there has to be mechanics to make it harder.

I'm sure you won't believe me, but since this information makes the town's life harder I am more than happy to give it out. Recruitment is most certainly not confined to our respective pools. Sasaki's death made me a sad panda.

[Romanic]

You're right, I don't believe you.

I think we need to call Ghostbusters to get rid of that one.

[Beskar]

I'm sure you won't believe me, but since this information makes the town's life harder I am more than happy to give it out. Recruitment is most certainly not confined to our respective pools. Sasaki's death made me a sad panda.

Yes, you killed him.

[Romanic]

@Autolycus

In your last post about Frozen in Ice, you said that he was probably not scum because you assumed that he was Amaterasu. How are your suspicions of him, now that you know Seon is Amaterasu, and not Frozen in Ice?

I've been giving a lot of credit to your prior post saying that you were fairly certain that Frozen was scum, but it seems your suspicions have been receding since. Let's clear this up once and for all. You need to clarify if this is something concrete, or more like a hunch.

[Beskar]

I know who Frozen in Ice is. I heard he has a mean paunch.

[Romanic]

Hmm, okay Beskar. Thanks for your great insight.You are very helpful, as usual.

@Seon

Since everyone knows that you are a Thermal Vision scanner, would you care to reveal what were your scans so far?

I can see why you would not want to reveal some, if a player was active and you have good reasons to believe he is Town, but maybe you can tell us who was scanned as doing nothing? This way it would help us figure who cannot be Pikachu and Samus.

[autolycus]

@Autolycus

In your last post about Frozen in Ice, you said that he was probably not scum because you assumed that he was Amaterasu. How are your suspicions of him, now that you know Seon is Amaterasu, and not Frozen in Ice?

I've been giving a lot of credit to your prior post saying that you were fairly certain that Frozen was scum, but it seems your suspicions have been receding since. Let's clear this up once and for all. You need to clarify if this is something concrete, or more like a hunch.

I feel more concrete on him than yaropolk is on pevergreen. I thought Atpg said he asked someone to check Frozen out the night of the Amaterasu siege. I haven't seen anything about the result, so if that happened, someone else has better data than me. But I'm pretty confident.

[TinCow]

You're right, I don't believe you.

I think we need to call Ghostbusters to get rid of that one.

I would like to point out that I have not lied about anything since I died. I certainly only give out information when I believe doing so aids my team, but the information is accurate. A review of my disclosures will certainly substantiate this.

[Beskar]

I would like to point out that I have not lied about anything since I died. I certainly only give out information when I believe doing so aids my team, but the information is accurate. A review of my disclosures will certainly substantiate this.

If that is true, you should talk with me more. I am sure we can come to some mutual arrangement.

[TinCow]

If that is true, you should talk with me more. I am sure we can come to some mutual arrangement.

I will certainly consider everything you have to say. However, I am unaware of any truly useful information that can be shared publicly without it compromising one or both of our groups. Regarding who can be recruited, surely you know more about this now than I do.

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: Romanic I'd vote Jarema but I'm not sure there's 3 votes on him yet and I think there's a better case on him than pever

[Jarema]

Ok
I am here now.
I will not like to reveal anything. To anyone, almost. I am affraid that I will reveal too much to the member of other town faction than mine :(
If I know 100% townie from my team, I will reveal to him. Also, if I will not have another chance to survive, I will reveal to Seon or someone else.

[Romanic]

Asking scum to kill someone who told you they were a town power role with no evidence to the contrary? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any way that can be right.

My mafia senses are tingling...

I don't like this from Skooma. While I agree that what Yaropolk did may not be wise, I hardly see his actions as mafia. Let's check the facts:

- Yaropolk asked 3 members of the Voting Block to claim their roles.
- pevergreen claimed being a Hero.

What I am expecting from a mafia would be to act like he believed pevergreen, and plan to kill him soon.

What I am not expecting from a mafia is to yell in the game thread "I found a Hero, Pikachu should kill him!!!". If pever is killed and flips Hero, who's going to be blamed? It's just very bad for Yaropolk's image, I have serious doubts that a scum would do something like that when he could simply kill the Hero.

I'm sorry Yaropolk, but you didn't think this through. Either pever is telling the truth (and you should keep this a secret or a Hero will die soon) or he's lying (and he might be Pikachu, or a Phazon, but either way, the other mafia team has no reason to attack him, given things are going well for the Town).

So I don't see how it was a good idea to reveal pever, but I don't see how a mafiosi would make this move either. The whole thing has me believe that Yaropolk is Town.

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As far as my vote is concerned, I want to hear Jarema speak before deciding between the two.

And I don't like this either. Skooma, you voted for Jarema yesterday and now you are waiting to hear from him? It feels wrong. If he was good enough for a vote yesterday, he should still be. There were no development on the Jarema case since you've made that vote yesterday.

It doesn't look good either that you didn't give a reason to vote Jarema yesterday. You' re scummy.

vote: Skooma Addict

[Romanic]

Vote: Romanic I'd vote Jarema but I'm not sure there's 3 votes on him yet and I think there's a better case on him than pever

Again? Why?

Do I still look too much like a respectable townie?

[ByzantineKnight]

Again? Why?

Do I still look too much like a respectable townie?

no... but I don't like how you are trying to direct the town's effort when you haven't been cleared yet. Unless I missed something

[pevergreen]

I'm waiting for Yarapolk to come explain his thing about me in the middle of the night.

For now, a placeholder vote on:

Vote: Jarema

[Chaotix]

I clarified this to a dead player concerned about revealing information, and have decided it is for the benefit of all dead players to see:

TinCow's accusation of ATPG was a claim and not a "reveal", because he used only evidence contained in the write-ups and then accused ATPG of being that character.

Likewise, TinCow's claim about recruitment is just that- a claim. And he is not allowed to provide any concrete information to back that up.

You are allowed to claim whatever you want, and to make guesses, but you cannot provide any new, concrete information relating to your role PM, night results, and PM conversation to back those claims up. Basically, you need to be sure that in any situation, the living players can only depend on your trustworthiness.

I will post this in the thread for the benefit of all dead players.

As a basic rule of thumb: If it seems like it's going to give you an unfair advantage, then it probably is. If you are unsure, please check with me before making any claim.

It is much easier to make a ruling on an instance than a general rule for all.

[Romanic]

no... but I don't like how you are trying to direct the town's effort when you haven't been cleared yet. Unless I missed something

And by "directing the town's effort", you mean posting more?

I am certainly not directing anything, or we don't have the same definition of it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

iirc, in rubicon only the godfather-mafioso could recruit and it might have been limited shot. But I do believe it's in the game.

I would agree with a skooma lynch.

Jarema's response is sketchy but we should give it time.

[Jarema]

I do not remember if I voted today before going to work, so for being sure,
unvote, vote: Skooma

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Isn't seon of the hero faction? If so he can be revealed to with impunity jarema. And you will probably die if you don't.

[Romanic]

Isn't seon of the hero faction? If so he can be revealed to with impunity jarema. And you will probably die if you don't.

Yes, Seon claimed (and probably is) Amaterasu, Sun Goddess, of the Hero faction.

[Jarema]

oh
I believe I do not fully understand what 'hero' faction means.

[Beskar]

I will certainly consider everything you have to say. However, I am unaware of any truly useful information that can be shared publicly without it compromising one or both of our groups. Regarding who can be recruited, surely you know more about this now than I do.

Not really, we are not going to reveal that information at all (we are not even allowed). But we could coordinate more. Even for WIFOM purposes.

[landlubber]

I'm still a bit shaky about trusting Jarema. I asked him to just give me his name, and he still wouldn't do that. So, at least for now, vote: Jarema.

[Ironside]

Vote: Abstain

I don't get any strong vibes from anyone.

When are the inactive starting to have trouble Chaotix?

[ByzantineKnight]

And by "directing the town's effort", you mean posting more?

I am certainly not directing anything, or we don't have the same definition of it.

I meant trying to direct. For example, asking people to reveal things. I am not accusing you of being the driving force behind the town's efforts, but you seem to want us to place a lot of trust with you when we have nothing guaranteeing that you are town. Obviously my vote on you is not going to end up in you being lynched but I think its something to think about for now and act on later.

@Seon

Since everyone knows that you are a Thermal Vision scanner, would you care to reveal what were your scans so far?

[Jarema]

I'm still a bit shaky about trusting Jarema. I asked him to just give me his name, and he still wouldn't do that. So, at least for now, vote: Jarema.

Landlubber, as I have written to you, I decided to reveal to Seon.
I will not (if possible) reveal to more people. I hope Seon would be around soon and will confirm that I revealed to him.
Please, do not kill me before you know what you do

[Romanic]

Current tally.

4 Jarema (Diamondeye, Beefy, pevergreen, landlubber)
2 pevergreen (Csargo, God Emperor)
2 Skooma Addict (Romanic, Jarema)
1 Yaropolk (choxorn)
1 Romanic (ByzantineKnight)
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1 abstain (Ironside)
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17 not voting (everyone else)

[ByzantineKnight]

Landlubber...do

It would be better if you really are pro-town if you do not say anything like this, it makes you seem quite powerful and may give you a priority in the mafia night kills